• KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 months ago

    its this EXACT same thing but with soccer and football, granted there is actual history there, im going to ignore it because it’s funnier that way.

    europe created the term soccer, and then got rid of it, and then took up football, so the US started using soccer, because it had already used football, for well, football. Shocker i know. And so now we still use soccer, but they use football.

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      10 months ago

      This is true only in the vaguest sense.

      1. “Europe” didn’t invent the term soccer. A specific group of people in England did.
      2. Those people were upper class posh boys, the same ones who call rugby “rugger”. They are not the people who support football today or made football what it is around the world.
      3. If you can’t tell, it’s an obvious nickname for something. The equivalent of one nation deciding to exclusively call basketball “shootin’ hoops”.
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        10 months ago

        “Hoops” is an objectively better name for the sport ever since we got rid of the baskets.

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        10 months ago

        Looks like the name is far more confusing than that. Apparently, ‘football’ used to mean multiple types of games, soccer started out as ‘association football,’ and then a British public school took ‘association’ and turned it into ‘asoccer,’ which spread to Oxford and became common there and then everyone else started calling it ‘soccer’ but then they dropped ‘soccer’ in favor of just ‘football’ except in countries which already had a football, which was sometimes the same as rugby.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football#Name

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        10 months ago

        why did you have to ruin my funny with logic and reason?

        jokes aside i realize it’s a little more complex than i let on, but it’s the same spirit as the original post so meh.

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      10 months ago

      Doesn’t change the fact that football makes more sense and that while the British did come up with soccer literally every country uses something like football.

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        10 months ago

        this also doesnt change the fact that if we called football football and football football we would be confusing football with football, and football with football, instead of having two succinct names that are clearly identifiable.

        And even then most words don’t make very much sense. It’s just english.

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        10 months ago

        Except we came up with another game we called football so we can’t exactly change the name of that game so soccer can be renamed

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          10 months ago

          I my language, we just call it “American Football”. And it works pretty well since only USA plays it. The real football is just “Football” of course.

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            10 months ago

            There are teams and leagues in Britain and Germany that play “American Football.” They just aren’t at the level of US teams yet. But they are getting better at it.

            The NFL has been playing games in Britain for years now. And I think this year they played in Germany also. It’s an open secret that the NFL wants a team based in Britain also. They just can’t quite figure out the logistics.

            Like it or not, American Football/Hand Egg is gaining popularity around the world - slowly perhaps but steadily. The NFL is coming for your “football”. In any case, it’s better than Cricket…

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          Except that football already existed and there were a bunch of variations, including association football which is what we call soccer, Australian football, and its variant Rugby which is what American football was based off of when it was brought to the States in 1870.

          They all are called football, technically. We just don’t use that name anymore.

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            10 months ago

            i think the technicality here is that soccer spread to the US initially. And then it transitioned to football, but by that time US football had been established properly, so we just kind of decided to keep using soccer, because it made the most sense. And besides the entire reason the EU transitioned to football, was kind of just irrelevant for the US anyway.

            It’s one of those things where you get stuffed into a bit of an awkward spot. And so you do the best you can. And then everyone still yells at you for some reason. Like yes football already existed, and yes it probably should’ve just been football. But this is also the US and europe that we’re talking about, historically known to be good friends, throughout history. Of course.