• bigbox@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    This is making our switch to Lemmy feel quite justified, isn’t it? Although even if Reddit was still in good shape I think the potential of a decentralized platform is much better. I probably would have migrated here whether this shitstorm happened or not.

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      Unfortunately we may just be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. The developers (and moderators of this instance) are unapologetic authoritarians, and on their own instance they ban people for criticizing authoritarian governments. Take a look at this post from their own reddit account in regards to Tiananmen Square.

      I want the fediverse to succeed. I love the idea of a less centrally-controlled approach to social media, because we’ve all seen the problems that can create. But I’m worried that the influence of authoritarian-leaning developers could be a serious problem.

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        Can just make an account in another instance (like you´ve done in Beehaw) or kbin I suppose. So far I haven´t seen anything that makes me uncorfortable with lemmy.ml, but given all these smaller platforms are on a trial period for me I have no qualms moving if needed be

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          Yeah. That’s one of the things I like most about fediverse. You can always move around if you feel like you need to, and you’ll still be able to interact with the communities you were interacting with earlier (in most cases). We’ll see what happens. I think the instance I joined seems genuinely well-meaning (although like most users, I’m still mostly just dipping my feet in here). I just wanted to put out there that the lead developers could have some problematic views.

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        I disagree with the feditips account. I think he’s pushing people away from lemmy rather than the specific instance. I’ve had no issues on lemmy.ml and the mods here have been great. I’m pretty sure he’s just referring to lemmygrad. And like the other user who replied to you said, you could always make a new instance or join another. The political opinions of the devs means nothing if the platform is decentralized. Unlike Reddit, they don’t have power over the entire platform, just whatever instance they host, just like if I made an instance, which I can, I have complete power over it.

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          You can look at the modlog and see that lemmy.ml has also banned people for criticism of authoritarian governments. The reddit post I linked to in regards to Tiananmen Square was posted by one of the moderators of lemmy.ml.

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            Well, everything else I said stands. You’re on Beehaw, so none of that affects you. I could migrate my account there if it became an issue. Lemmy as an overall platform should still be recommended imo, because there are so many instances to join instead.

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        Why would that be a serious problem? The code is open and it can be hosted by anyone. The moderators of a single instance are nearly meaningless to a federated system. That’s the whole point.

        To put it another way, what problems do you think the devs being tankies might cause?

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          On the main instance they’ve banned a few accounts for comments about human rights abuses in authoritarian-left governments. But it’s true, that’s instance specific. I know that on Mastodon the original instance, mastodon.social, has kind of set the tone for the other instances, so there could be an effect of that sort. Other than that? I’ll just be honest and tell you that I’m not sure. It’s hard to predict these kinds of things. But I agree with feditips that it could be a cause for concern.

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            I think that’s the cool thing about it though is if we don’t like the host of an instance, we move on to a better one. That will especially apply if they implement importing/exporting accounts like you can in Mastodon. Then you’re REALLY not locked into any one server. I understand what you’re saying, it’s no small deal, but we can let them sit in their own echo chamber, and we go where we feel more comfortable.

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    You would think given the community, they would want to toss at least a dozen staff on this, and have prepared answers to most of the questions.

    Spez looks incredibly out of touch with this ama.

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    You can pretty much feel the anger from each of his replies, he’s getting shit on and can’t handle it. What an absolute clown

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    wow, there are >13000 comments and /u/spez has made 12, all very brief. He didn’t even have any canned answers ready.

    And to be fair the other admins linked in the top post have about 6 comments between them.

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        pretty shocking really. I feel like a bit of prep to have some answers written up by someone who knows how to spin things would have fooled at least some readers. especially those who weren’t following the whole drama up til now. but it was a comprehensive loss for them.

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    “We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive. Unlike some of the 3P apps, we are not profitable.”

    Almost understandable but did they really think this was the way to put it?

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    If he has any lawyers or a wife or anyone who has any investment in reddit getting an IPO they should tackle him and take the keyboard away.

    Good lord, he’s got a steam shovel and is gonna break into the mantle from the hole he’s digging.

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    I’m shocked spez gave redreader a shout out as still trying to work with them.

    That’s an other dev (quantumbadger) I would expect to be honest with his community. He’d been pretty vocal in earlier updates that he wasn’t going to be able to pay them at any price since his app is FOSS and distributed as source.

    Curious what his next update will say.

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    Spez comes off as a narcissistic little pissbaby. Blaming the apps/devs that made Reddit what it is, rather than actually looking at ways to make the site better for everyone.

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    Kinda wish the peanut gallery would stop posting a little bit. Like a little engagement is one thing but this literally already has more than 2,000 posts in 20 minutes of people piling on and going “uhuh!” “yeah!” “HE WONT DO IT!” “He hasnt answered to this complicated post yet”.

    Like it’s so much noise that when and if he does inevitably reply to things it will be buried.

    Also why are people celebrating the big questions by giving them reddit gold and awards? Doesnt that cost real money? I dont see the sense in going

    “Yeah screw reddit! You tell this lying dirtbag!” and then giving reddit a few bucks so a little icon appears next to their name