I’ve completed a tier-3 run with one challenge (https://lemmy.world/post/18859193) and a tier-2 run with no challenges (https://lemmy.world/post/19011489). The idea is to play without ever using or equipping any items (armor, melee or thrown weapons) above the specified tier.

Since then, I’ve been trying to complete a tier-1 run, without success. Since tier-1 armor is laughable, I think there are two feasible strategies: (1) avoid getting hit, and (2) be able to take a lot of damage.

In my experience, strategy (2) is not really viable. Melee heroes (duellist and warrior) cannot really sustain the damage taken in the jail. A Monk or a Berserker might conceivably win the game with tier-1 items, but the problem is getting past Tengu. Also, they can normally rely on high-tier thrown weapons.

Going back to strategy (1), I had more success with a Rogue, making it to the first level of the dwarven city without too much trouble. I never made it past level 16, though. The ghouls hit too hard! Also, when facing four ghouls, the Rogue is just not quick enough to kill them before they revive and hit again.

This left me with one option: the Sniper. There is one problem, though: the sniper needs a thrown weapon (not her bow) to activate her lethal volleys. However, the only one tier-1 thrown weapon that the sniper can get is uncoated darts, and they cannot be upgraded nor transmuted!

My conclusion is that it is impossible to win the game with only tier-1 equipment. So I relaxed the challenge to using only tier-1 armor and melee weapons, and allowing one tier-2 melee weapon. With this combination, I was able to win the game!

I had a very lucky run with good wands, and found a couple of shurikens early on. These are ideal to avoid damage, since the sniper gets effectively four shots (one shuriken and three arrows) before the enemy can reply. Nothing except a boss can survive those four shots. I also got a projecting bow early on (just like in my tier-2 run). Projecting bows are so awesome!

Still, the run was super difficult, since at times I couldn’t avoid melee combat. A succubus could take me from full health to almost dead in three hits, and dying in the demon halls is all too easy even with high-tier items.

Regarding my claim that a 100% tier-1 run is impossible, I’d love to be proven wrong. I’m pretty sure someone with more skill than I can probably do it.

  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I’ve never had luck with the projecting bow. I love the elastic one instead - it’s damn near broken. What’s your strategy with projecting?

      • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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        2 months ago

        As @mrsemi said, mind vision (ability and/or potion) plus projecting allows you to kill mobs without them being able to retaliate. My second favorite enchantment is grim, with elastic a third, especially with a ring of arcana. The only thing I don’t like about elastic is that there are some enemies, such as gnoll shamans, that you want to keep in melee range.

  • Gustephan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I have a run 2 challenge run

    That might be able to come close on 2 challenges right now. I haven’t been playing it as an equipment restricted challenge, but this build feels insane and only really relies on darts, free-runner talents with the cloak, and the ring and wands. Plus seeds to tip the darts. Most of the kills are “shoot corrosion, freerun and/or stealth and/or blast wand away, finish kills with darts after letting the orange cloud of death do its work”. The armor doesn’t matter because you never get hit and the upgrades I spent on the crossbow could go into the ring or the wand if you were planning it from the start. MDV-GYJ-SFX if you wanna try it, on shattered. The challenges are hostile champs and badder bosses

    • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Nice!

      I’ve been trying to complete a 100% T1 run after reading some comments here. I’ve done two runs, and died on levels 23 and 24. So frustrating…

      • Gustephan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Hell yeah! Can’t wait to see your post when you pull it off. I lost that freerunner on f23/24 to a misjudged blast wave that knocked me down the chasm into a big room with a scorpion out of vision. I still think it could be a winning seed if not for my skill issue lol

        • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Thanks for the encouragement!

          I’ve done the exact same thing with a blast wave wand on the demon halls. They’re powerful, but a slight miscalculation and down you go.

  • Chorby_Short@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    A few notes. First, a shuriken is a thrown weapon (sometimes called missile weapons), not a melee weapon.

    Secondly, I have two runs on record where I used only only tier 1 gear, with additional stipulations. The first was a warden run where I finished with strength 6, having used no strength potions and equipped two cursed might rings, on in the caves and one in the halls. For that run, I ended with +10 armor to avoid encumbrance, but both my +3 gloves and my +5 bow were too heavy, though I used then anyways.

    The second run was a completely potionless/scrolless rogue run. I ended with the same gear I started with, and didn’t end up with any additional rings or artifacts either because I couldn’t confirm any were uncursed. Now, I have done potionless/scrolless with three classes total, but in the other cases I either had a lucky armor drop (leather +3 for Warden), or I found a great shield (for mage; I couldn’t attack with it, but melee combat wasn’t a good idea anyways so that wasn’t really an issue), so that rogue run was the only one of those that was all T1.

    • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Thanks for the correction – I’ve fixed it.

      I’m glad to know that a T1 run is possible with at least Warden and Rogue. I can’t even begin to imagine how you were able to complete those runs! Respect.

      It’s also good to hear about other self-imposed challenges people have tried. Going potionless and/or scrolless is something I’ll try for sure in the future!

    • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      To be fair, I think doing a limited tier run is easier than doing six challenges. My top is three challenges.

    • buo@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The first challenge is living long enough to become a battlemage: getting past the jail and tengu with only tier-1 items is hard. The second challenge is surviving the inevitable heavy damage in the city; in my experience viscosity and stone are almost useless with a cloth armor. But, by all means try it out! I’d like to know how it goes.

        • Vencedor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Don’t burn upgrade scrolls, they must be really valuable when you can only use T1 armor (for rings and wands) just reset the run if you’re playing that seed

  • MrRedstoner@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Huntress with early RoSS and RoH (and maybe transmute for a better tier 1 weapon) might be able to do it, barkskin to cover for armor and point blank talent in place of melee weapons.

    Maybe I’ll give it a shot when I don’t feel like doing standard challenges

    • Vencedor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Nah, that weapon’s perfect for triggering enchantments. You aren’t doing damage either way, might as well enchant it and try to trigger some enchants if totally need it.