• BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    Why “dr*g”? That’s a wierd bit of censorship - making a joke about drugs and sex workers and feeling the need to censor the word drug? I don’t get it?

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      Yeah this is strange. People need to stop vilifying sex work. If the person is doing it willingly, they’re not hurting anyone, and they enjoy doing it, what’s the problem?

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        There’s a spectrum going from someone just posting stuff and getting paid to shameless exploitation of vulnerable people through parasocial relationships. The latter can be very lucrative.

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        From my experience, most of them are good. They can’t really go around fucking people up or they get fucked up themselves. I even know some people that had problems and bought from different dealers, because the dealers wouldn’t sell them that much if they only went to them.

        Opiod dealers are a different kind, but most of them are opiod users too, so it’s hard to judge them. I’m not even sure I still consider opiods to be drugs.

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          They are all enabling drug cartels, so no, none of them are good. We can’t go around and say companies if not by law are at least morally responsible for child labour and forced labour camps in their supply chain and at the same time ignore that every fucking dealer gets their shit from sources that do the very same thing. There might be exceptions for some drugs, I’m not that deep into it, but in general there is no moral way to sell illegal drugs.

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            They are all enabling drug cartels

            Most drug dealers are just your friendly neighborhood guy with a weed farm in his basement

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            Cartels is such a buzzword. Most of them just do normal business. And only cocaine comes trough them outside of America.

            What is your point exactly? Are you merely expressing that you’re not moral yourself for posting here? Are you going around telling people who buy stuff from China that they are all enabling child labor and wage slavery?

            Everything can be better, but if you take away something that people like, you kind become responsible for the result. Imagine taking the beer away from somebody enjoying some beer, what’s the chance that you’ll get your ass kicked? But what happens when a cop takes away the drug of a drug user? Most people just give up, lose their drugs, get fined, and possibly even jailed. It’s safe to say that most drug users think your morals are far worse.

            I would even say that you are the one enabling an oppressive force, while cartels just leave us the fuck alone.

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        You know the dealer, the dealer is a man

        With the love grass in his hand

        Oh but the pusher is a monster

        Good God, he’s not a natural man

        The dealer for a nickel

        Goin to sell you lots of sweet dreams.

        Ah…but the pusher will ruin your body;

        Lord he’ll leave your mind to scream.

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        ♫ It’s true that all the men you knew were dealers who said they were through

        being dealers every time you gave them shelter

        I know that kind of man, it’s hard to hold the hand of anyone

        who’s reaching for the sky just to surrender ♪

        (originally by Leonard Cohen, of course)

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      exploiting people for money, making weird/borderline illegal ads/promos, spaming/botting popular social media services with self promos or just being toxic to other people - why do you think drug dealers are bad people tho? in most cases they are just addicts tryna sell drugs so they can buy more drugs to feed their addiction, most of them are not bad people, they just need help

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        My dude our existence as we know it is wholly dependent on this capitalist system, which is built on exploitation, from top to bottom. Save your judgement for the bourgeoisie enforcing it, not the people just trying to survive in it.

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          so it’s ok to do bad things if the capitalist system is telling you to? the only bad people are the ones at the top that enforce the system? and not the people who keep the system alive by obeying? doing something bad and then blaming the capitalist system for it is just playing the victim and it’s a ridiculous argument

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            12 days ago

            You’re entitled to your judgemental opinions, but singling out OF creators reeks of big incel energy.

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              wdym i am “singling out” - the original comment asked why onlyfans creators are considered as bad people by the OP and i explained why they have a bad reputation online, you are going out of your way to blame the capitalist system for these creator’s actions, and now you are just insulting me just because i provided a list of reasons why onlyfans creators get a bad rep online and why they are considered to be bad people

    • cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de
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      I think most of them aren’t getting any where close to what these OF influencers are getting for just showing feet.

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      13 days ago

      More like, “these are easy jobs for fat stacks”. Each is easy to break into, the fat stacks part takes real work.

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      I don’t think you underhand what this is saying. Hint: it’s not that.

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    Who cares if they are Drug dealer or on Only Fans. Do they put the cart back at the store?

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      I gotta be honest, my bf or I still make sure the cart goes back every time we shop, but I increasingly question whether I should bother. These grocery stores keep raising their prices well above inflation so they can pocket the rest and brag to shareholders about it, at the cost of people who actually shop there.

      It’s tempting to say that if they’re going to play that game, they get no courtesy from me as a customer and can hire more cart collectors. It’s miniscule on an individual level, but it is unpaid labor.

      There’s the argument that unreturned carts mostly inconvenience other customers, but honestly if the store is exploiting both customers’ goodwill and wallets, I think it’s fine to make the experience at that store just that little bit worse; maybe that last little push will encourage people to shop elsewhere (where it’s an option of course, i.e. not a small town).

      I don’t feel this urge at stores like H Mart even though they have so many fewer return stalls and it’s often a longer walk to do so.

      I guess this is kind of an antithesis to Shopping Cart Theory I’ve been developing in my head over the past little while. It’s conditional on the store itself being overtly greedy, but I think there might be something to it.

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        Nah this is just trying to rationalize being a dick to your fellow human being who’s trying to park. The employee making min wage isn’t caring that the carts are further, it just means they can waste more time per trip.

        If you actually wanted to do something against the corporation, you shop somewhere else.

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          Just like the shopping cart theory itself, this is mostly just a thought experiment at this point in time.

          The point of a protestation is to make it hard for others to ignore, and make it clear what the end condition is. I don’t plan on just starting to do this as an individual because it would have no impact; I still make sure my own carts get returned personally.

          The point stands that our goodwill is frequently exploited for profit, often under the pretense that it’s just basic human decency.

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        11 days ago

        I see your point but two out the last three cars I’ve had both got a huge dent in their right front fender because someone didn’t put the cart up and it rolled down a slight grade into them.

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          You should check with the laws in your state (or your insurance agency, if you have a low enough deductible.).

          Just because the grocery store puts up a sign that they are not responsible for damages doesn’t mean they aren’t. They have a first amendment right to lie, and a game-theory reason to do so.

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    Why do you expect to be reward for being a good person? That’s just the baseline everyone should meet.

    You will never get financially ahead of everyone else by being a good worker bee. Sorry your parents and teachers lied to you. Doing well in school and getting a degree is not a pathway to riches. The vast majority of people who went from rags to riches went off the beaten path and took a massive risk.

    Also sex work doesn’t make someone a bad person.

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      Totally agree, although I would say “… the vast majority of people who went from rags to riches were self-obsessed assholes at at least one part of their life”.

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      Exactly. You get what you give. You give the bare minimum to society, and society will give it right back. You want more, give more. Go help your community. Take out your elderly neighbor’s recycling. Volunteer at your local shelters/soup kitchens. Attend some local events. Sit in on city council meetings. When I moved out of my small town a couple years ago, I learned that real life is a lot like online forums. You have to lurk before you can post. Learn the language, the local etiquette and taboos. Watch the people in your neighborhood, their interactions. Blend into the background, and observe. Talk little, hear and see much.

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        You want more, give more. Go help your community. Take out your elderly neighbor’s recycling. Volunteer at your local shelters/soup kitchens. Attend some local events. Sit in on city council meetings.

        None of this shit makes you money.

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      Sex work puts someone one step closer to human trafficking.

      I don’t judge them for the sex work. I judge how they are at risk that costs more than just their own happiness.

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    It’s funny because they compared themself to a picture of one of the worst people imagined to argue they’re a good person

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        Honestly I don’t get the OF hate in general. We all have watched porn and we probably liked at least some of what we have seen. What is wrong about earning a living with producing what other people want and like? And as I don’t think, we argue about people consuming porn but about paying for it, what the fuck is wrong with paying the content creator? Why do we prefer paying agencies with ad revenue while the agency effectively scams their talent? Why no ads but cash? Why agency and not talent?

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        I don’t have anything against OF or sex work, but I’ve always though that negative judgements against clients suggest a negative judgement against the service provider. If the act of providing the service is OK then surely the act of receiving the service is also morally sound? Unless the service provider has a morally ambivalent attitude to their own work? I say this as someone who had a long term partner doing sex work. Contempt for clients seems unfair and possibly hypocritical. Just people trying to satisfy a biological and emotional need.

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    Drug deals and OF girls can be good people, but someone who judges people based on the nature of their labor can’t.