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anybody really care?
No we don’t. The green party wasn’t even that alive
Read the room bud.
I didn’t really know what the Green Party was until a few years ago. I originally thought Green meant pro-environment but it really just stands for green cash money from Daddy Vlad.
Is that any worse than the other parties who pay billions to daddy bibi for the privilege of sucking his cock? Honest question.
As much of a problem Israel is the fact of the matter is Putin and the Russian state as a whole is well infinitely bigger. A coalition could remove Israel in an afternoon, Russia not so much.
What coalition? Is genocide not considered serious enough to assemble this afternoon coalition?
Yes.
Wasn’t she cleared by the senate investigative committee for not taking funds from Russia?
I’m not sure if she was or wasn’t, but depending on the Congress, they may have also “cleared” the issue of SA with Brett Kavenaugh. Congress isn’t exactly a trustworthy primary source.
Yes.
But people here don’t want to address that because it disrupts their narrative.
The truth is, no matter what she did or didn’t do, the hostility would be the same because she’s not Harris.
They get upset at anyone who isn’t pledging their vote to Harris, and that’s the real reason behind all the hate here. In fact, look at your downvotes for asking a simple question. lmao
If the green party even actually cared about the shit they purport to care about, they’d have been pro nuclear. That’s all I needed to hear in order to know they were worth absolutely none of my attention.
Nuclear energy is the most expensive type of energy, you could have way more wind and solar energy (stored in batteries or hydrogen) for the same investment. And without waste that keeps radiating for the next millenia.
Posting an extra comment to say nuclear waste is not an issue either. Here’s two good videos on the topic that show through example how much it isn’t an issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4aUODXeAM-k&pp=ygUXa3lsZSBoaWxsIG51Y2xlYXIgd2FzdGU%3D
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lhHHbgIy9jU&pp=ygUXa3lsZSBoaWxsIG51Y2xlYXIgd2FzdGU%3D
Nuclear is expensive because we’ve made it expensive. The most expensive part is bureaucracy. Running nuclear plants is cheap. Even still, the price of nuclear around the world is competitive. If you scroll down to the regional studies, nuclear looks even better. In every place except the US that has nuclear, nuclear is the second cheapest, with large-scale PV the only one higher (which doesn’t price in solutions to provide baseline power, which nuclear has built in). The US has (purposefully) made nuclear appear expensive because laws have been paid for by dirty oil companies.
Nuclear is also one of the safest and cleanest energy sources. If you include negative externalities into the cost (which is never done but should be) nuclear is amazing.
Neither storage “solution” is currently adequate for fossil fuel replacement and may never be for high-density populations. Nuclear is less impactful than burning hydrocarbons or damming rivers and fearmongering about radioactive waste products isn’t helpful because, again, every nuclear accident or leak to date has been less harmful than normal exhaust from coal-burning plants and riparian habitat destruction.
If we had kept investing in an actual energy solution we would have gen-IV reactors already and the waste concerns would be even lower.
They also be active more than one out of every four years. You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections. They’re spoilers. Nothing more.
The veil is lifted finally.
You NEVER hear a word about any of them between elections.
Sure we do. In fact, my town voted Green into office.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_politicians_who_have_held_office_in_the_United_States (thanks to @SyntaxTerror@feddit.org for the info)
State-Level Green Party Officials (Former)
- Shane Robinson - Maryland, House, District 39 (2011-2019)
- Henry Bear - Maine, House, District 144 (2013-2019)
- Ralph Chapman - Maine, House, District 133 (2010-2019)
- Fred Smith - Arkansas, House, District 50 (2011-2015)
- Richard Carroll - Arkansas, House, District 39 (2009-2011)
- John Eder - Maine, House, District 118 (2003-2007)
- Matt Ahearn - New Jersey, General Assembly, District 38 (2002-2004)
- Audie Bock - California, State Assembly, District 16 (1999-2000)
Current Green Party Mayors
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois (2021-2025)
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California (2008-2024)
- Emmanuel Estrada - Baldwin Park, California (2020-2024)
Former Green Party Mayors
- John Reed - Fairfax, California
- Mike Feinstein - Santa Monica, California
- David Doonan - Greenwich, New York
- Kelley Wearvering - Cordova, Alaska
- Robb Davis - Davis, California
- Peter Gleichman - Ward, Colorado
- Jim Sullivan - Victory, New York
- Jason West - New Paltz, New York
Current Green Party City & County Council Members
- Sylvia R. Chavez - Calipatria, California
- David Conley - Douglas County, Wisconsin
- Josiah Dean - Dufur, Oregon
- Becky Elder - Manitou Springs, Colorado
- Bob Gifford - Portage County, Wisconsin
- Renée Goddard - Fairfax, California
- David Grover - Trinidad, California
- Damon Jespersen - Newbury, Massachusetts
- John Keener - Pacifica, California
- Rebecca Kemble - Madison, Wisconsin
- Paul Pitino - Arcata, California
- Marsha A. Rummel - Madison, Wisconsin
- George P. Steeves - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
- Daniel Welsh - Lewisboro, New York
- Heidi Weigleitner - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Stephen Zollman - Sebastopol, California
Former Green Party City & County Council Members
- Peter Schwartzman - Galesburg, Illinois
- George Altgelt - Laredo, Texas
- Michael Beilstein - Corvallis, Oregon
- Bruce Delgado - Marina, California
- Jessica Bradshaw - Carbondale, Illinois
- Michael Cornell - River Hill Village
- Jennifer Dotson - Ithaca, New York
- Kathleen Fitzpatrick - Mosier, Oregon
- Gail Garrett - Mount Washington, Massachusetts
- Matt Gonzalez - San Francisco, California
- Cam Gordon - Minneapolis, Minnesota
- Art Goodtimes - San Miguel County, Colorado
- Daniel Hamburg - Mendocino County, California
- Michelle Haynes - Norwood, Colorado
- Gary Hull - Sharpsburg, Maryland
- Tanya Ishikawa - Federal Heights, Colorado
- Brian Kehoe - Catskill, New York
- Jason Kirkpatrick - Arcata, California
- Mary Jo Long - Afton, New York
- Tom Mair - Grand Traverse County, Michigan
- Sarah Marsh - Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Merrily Mazza - Lafayette, Colorado
- Gayle McLaughlin - Richmond, California
- Ross Mirkarimi - San Francisco, California
- Leland Pan - Dane County, Wisconsin
- Dona Spring - Berkeley, California
- Chuck Turner - Boston, Massachusetts
Other Green Party Local Officials (Current)
- Michael Clary - Coos County, Oregon
- Jennifer Baker - Napa Valley College, California
- Matthew Clark - San Mateo County
- Billy Gene Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Carl D’Amato - Waterford, Connecticut
- Daphne Dixon - Fairfield, Connecticut
- Matt Donahue - Benton County, Oregon
- Maureen Doyle - Southbridge, Massachusetts
- Andrew Frascarelli - Waterford, Connecticut
- Frank Gatti - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Michael Paul Hansen - Humboldt County, California
- Jane Jarlsberg - San Bernardino County, California
- Joshua Steele Kelly - Waterford, Connecticut
- Vincent O’Connor - Amherst, Massachusetts
- Sharron Parra - Hyampom, California
- Vahe Peroomian - Glendale Community College, California
- John Powell - Montecito, California
- Colleen Ann Reidy - Thompsonville, Connecticut
- Rebecca Rotzler - New Paltz, New York
- Leif Smith - Redding, Connecticut
- Darcy Van Ness - Waterford, Connecticut
- Baird Welch-Collins - Waterford, Connecticut
- Randy Marx - Fair Oaks Water District, Sacramento County, California
- Fred McCann - Portland Water District, Portland, Maine
- Garrett Erven - Red Wing, Minnesota
Other Green Party Local Officials (Former)
- John Amarilios - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Korie Blyveis - Newberg Township, Michigan
- Hector Lopez - New Canaan, Connecticut
- Kim O’Connor - Hillsborough County, Florida
- Jill Stein - Lexington, Massachusetts
- Raymond C. Meyer - Lucas County Health Center, Iowa
- Amy Martenson - Napa Valley College, California
- MK Merelice - Brookline, Massachusetts
- Anna Trevorrow - Portland, Maine
So… you’re evidence is local elections? Tell us you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion without tell It’s you’re not paying attention to the topic of discussion.
What did Stein or West do?
Well it was said we never hear about them between elections. Stein doesn’t just stop being part of the Green Party between elections. It just doesn’t make the news. Big difference.
And I don’t like West, so I have no comments or ideas about what he does or doesn’t do.
Ahh. So you support the Russian shill only. Fair enough. It was said we never hear from PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES between elections.
Try and keep up.
But the comment didn’t say “PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES between elections.” It said “they” and that could be a lot of people. And I was under the impression it mean “they” as in “the Green Party.”
And many some third party presidential candidate are active between elections. They just don’t make the news because news orgs don’t see it as a story unless it’s an election year.
I’m not entertaining your trollish attempts to keep this discussion going. Anyone reading this would have extrapolated the intended topic.
We’re done here. You’ve nothing to say that’s relevant to the actual topic and you’re only derailing it further but pushing this.
You’ve been called out. Yet again.
Have a nice day! Was nice talking to you :)
What might have had some efficacy as an auxiliary party is if the organization promoted specific extant primary candidates, perhaps. To assist more progressive candidates in becoming the nominees for various electoral races. AND in local elections, not JUST the big one every four years like you said!
We’ve seen this work (to our detriment) with the ‘tea party’ -_- all i’m saying is, it pisses me off that we leave that kind of weaponry on the table when these fucking chud scum manage to pull it off.
They aren’t? Damn shame
“Green” and “pro nuclear” go together like peas and carrots. Unless one flunked elementary school science class.
Nah nuclear is relatively easy to deal with the waste, ublike say oil. Plus ignoring it is a legit method of dealing with the problem, worst case ya dump it in Wyoming nobody lives in Wyoming.
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I hate how they’ve spammed their way into turning this community into 90% conversations about irrelevant 3rd parties.
Every post is either by them or something meant to dunk on them.
If you’re not comfortable with this community embracing diverse political viewpoints and would prefer an echo chamber that only discusses one party, you’re always welcome to start your own Lemmy community.
Pesonally, I’m glad to see more third-party voices gaining visibility here!
Like the Green Party itself I look forward to you disappearing after the election. I’m sure your handlers will have you focus on some other pressing topic.
I think they’ll just have more time to devote to their other interests, like their c/transracial Lemmy community.
Well, I have some really bad news for you, friend. You sitting down?
I’m not going anywhere. The vast majority of my posts are to my own Socialist communities that I mod, and those issues I care about won’t disappear after the election. And neither Harris nor Trump will work on them.
And if you look around, I’m far from being the only one on Lemmy who supports third parties.
But just for a point of clarification, what do you mean by “handlers”? I’m not sure I understand the context of that. Can you clarify for me? Thank you! :)
That’s such a ridiculous claim that I bothered to count.
There’s been 4 posts about anything regarding 3rd parties out of 31 in the last 24h and that’s much MORE than usual!
Sounds like you’re just hypersensitive about being reminded that the two party duopoly is only ALMOST complete 🙄
Yes that was hyperbolic, I see these posts on my feed on a daily basis, and it’s filled with dozens of rehashed comments bickering about the validity of third parties. It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
I’ll be the first to say that I hate both major parties, but I have the political literacy to understand that the way to fix it is not by voting for someone with questionable ties to Russia that seems to pop up out of nowhere every four years.
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system. You’d also be doing work at a local level where real change can be made to movement rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election. You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work. I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
What makes you think we don’t? I bring it up all the time with my elected officials.
It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
Disagree. I’m happy to see it getting discussed more. And by more people than just me! :)
If you guys
I’m not one of “those guys” advocating specific 3rd party candidates. Sadly, none of the current choices are viable.
I’m just pointing out your overreaction, which is just as much of a distraction from the REAL issues you pretend to care about.
actually cared to solve the issues
Yeah, because mentioning 3rd parties means that you don’t care about anything else at all. What a galaxy brained take 🙄
campaigning to to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
That’s exactly what I’m doing, depending on how wide your definition of “campaigning” is. Just because I correct your hysteria doesn’t mean that you have to create a strawman of me that totes loves Jill Stein or whatever 🙄
You’d also be doing work at a local politics where real change can be made
In my case, “local” is part of Denmark, a country with a much better election system. Doesn’t mean that I can’t have knowledge and opinions about US politics and the kinds of absolutist “us or them” language that bears some of the responsibility for the duopoly surviving in spite of what the vast majority of the population wants.
Also, just FYI: assuming that everyone is able to be active in local politics beyond online discussions reeks of privilege and ableism.
rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election
Again lumping me in with a group to which I don’t belong.
You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work
Aaand again. Are you going for some kind of record in strawmen and jumping to conclusions? Because if so, you’re doing an excellent job so far.
I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
Me too. I’m also interested in discussing the news using language grounded in reality, rather than weird hyperbole making a small minority out to be a dominant force and tormentor ruining everything.
Being not from America, you have NO PLACE telling people how they should vote. And no one has the obligation to take nothing you say seriously at all.
Never told anyone how to vote, so you can pack that strawman away.
We have a saying over here: when America sneezes, Europe catches a cold.
We live in an interconnected world where what the world’s foremost superpower does profoundly effects literally billions of people.
There’s nothing weird about a European being interested in and knowledgeable about American politics.
Dismissing my input based on geography alone ON THE INTERNET makes it a good thing that no one has the obligation to take anything a fool like you says seriously at all either.
Riiiiiight. You do know your comment history is public, right? Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post, you CLEARLY have an anti-democrat and pro socialist agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Go sit down. When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
As much as I’m tempted, I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this. For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs on here doesn’t really matter, I’ve said my piece.
Have a great day.
They’re not even American, yet telling us how we should vote. That’s about as bad faith as it gets.
For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Which ones specifically? I did you the courtesy of being specific about how and where you were wrong about me. If you’re gonna go “no you!”, it would behoove you to do the same rather than being as vague as a teenager posting on Facebook on a bad day.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs
I specifically informed you that I don’t consider any of the third party candidates viable and have not said anything to the contrary to indicate that I support Stein in any way. I don’t, for the record.
I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this.
Because you don’t have any counterarguments. You just lie, misrepresent, and demand that everyone believes you. Which seems to be working in this case since it’s taking place in a pro-DNC echo chamber almost half as tribalist as the fascist ones.
I’ve said my piece.
Now I have too. Have the day you deserve.
This has to be some kind of chatgpt essay blend. How are you able to write so much based on so little? All your comments are like walls of text responses to like one liners. I just don’t get it. How? How do y’all have so much time on your hands???
Well said! It’s wild how some people get so worked up just because there are more than two political options. The majority of what I share is about socialism, but the moment I post one article about the Green Party, they blow it out of proportion and shout, “This is all you post!”—despite my post history being public and proving them wrong. 😂
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I’ll still answer tho. I’m not voting for Jill Stein. Thank you for thinking about me so much tho!
Lie to yourself if you must, but don’t expect anyone here to believe it
;)
I’m not lying about anything. Early on, I was voting for her, and I openly said so. I still like her and appreciate what she stands for. My entire post history is public, and I’ve been upfront from the start.
But since I lean more socialist, I’ve shifted to supporting a socialist party.
Why would I lie about not voting for Jill Stein when I clearly said I was going to vote for her in the beginning?
If I still support her efforts and have never denied that, then what would even be the point of lying about switching my vote?
And not only that, but I’ve switched my vote to a WAY lesser known third party–the Socialist Workers Party. So please tell me your theories on why I would lie about that.
Many of them are surprisingly silent on the matter.
It’s refreshing.
Um, I don’t know about that.
I don’t think anyone counts you as relevant.
Really? That means when I post, I don’t have to worry about people calling me a liar and a Russian shill anymore, right?
And no one will be bothered by what I post anymore or complain about how much I post, because I mean, it’s not like I’m relevant or anything. Right?!
That’s awesome!! Thank you! :)
No, but on a VERY far left leaning platform, you’re al almost always ratioed into oblivion. That should probably tell you a lot. But you’re not here in good faith, and that is probably is why it doesn’t matter much to you.
Most people generally don’t stick around places where they’re not wanted.
What makes you think I’m not here in good faith? What do you think good faith means? Because it seems to me that just because I am not voting for Harris, you think that doesn’t count as good faith. So maybe you could clarify.
And just because I get downvoted a lot, you think I should just now voice my opinions? Do you think that Lemmy should only allow views that the majority here view? Like an echo chamber?
Oh please! By all means…. Voice your opinion. That’s why lemmy is here. I just wanted to know that you were aware that lemmy is a notoriously left leaning/socialist platform, and you’re STILL downvoted into irrelevance.
And not that you’ve successfully derailed the conversation- as you do, I’m going to end it- as I do, because you have proven yet again that you have nothing to offer the topic but distraction and irrelevancy.
I’ve seen that person around. Serious cringe vibes.
Right?!
NOT VOTING FOR HERRRRRRRRR
Hey! Me either! We’re friends, now!
I’m not voting for fruit
Obviously.
Are we sure that that’s not her secret Lemmy account? Lmao
I don’t think she’s THAT well spoken, unfortunately.
I don’t see them in the comments. They’re probably on lunch break with that linkerbaan person.
What is a linkerbaan person? Context?
Something needs to live for it to die.
Fair point and solid burn. POINTS!
Jill Stein
Is Killingkilled the Green PartyJill Stein is the latest in an interminable line of Green Party fucknuts “killing” the Green Party.
Next.
Was there anything there to kill?
A bucket full of russian mob money.
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So one might say:
She’s killing it 🕶️
She’s reducing it, the first and best r
One might, but should one?
At least she’s doing one good thing?
She was a major reason Trump won over Hillary, and she is still taking more votes from democrats than republicans.
Hillary was the reason Trump won over Hillary. lmao
I thought racism had a lot more to do with it. Plus the way that American votes are counted.
There were lots of things that went wrong. It definitely wasn’t just because of a third party.
The electoral college and DNC hubris are the reasons Hillary lost.
Fair points!
That’s defiantly a way to look at it.
if you’re telling me that there’s a compromised candidate who isn’t pursuing the stated goals of their party or the best interests of their voter base, I- I- I-'d I’d have to cock an eye at you and wonder what your agenda was fella
pure nonsense, imagine
just glad my party isn’t one of those, whichever one that’s convenient for the reader
Given the ridiculous amount of money being poured into anti green sentiment and lawsuits by the Dems, it seems like they’re threatened.
Maybe we can have a somewhat left wing party when Dems lose again and can’t blame the greens or Bernie bros or other scape goats for their own failure to represent popular policies.
Yep. Funny how Democrats are just as desperate as the Republicans (who always try to get rid of Libertarians) to make sure we have fewer choices to vote for.
Threatened by Russian shills and spoiler campaigns by useless candidates that talk a lot and say nothing?
Yeah.
That’s a lot to be treated by. Especially when democrat hangs in the balance. Your lady is busted bro. The truth is out.
Go sit down somewhere.
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My “owners?”
Care to explain exactly what you meant by this?
Would you ever under any circumstance, not vote dem?
I vote for who I believe has the collective best interest of this country in mind, while holding the office with dignity, humility and respect for the individuality of this country’s citizens.
If they’re a democrat- I’m voting for them.
If the Green Party offers someone that can prove that they intend to take the job seriously, and doesn’t just pretend that shit matters one year out of every four…. I’d be happy to give them my support.
Until then, it’s democrats down the line.
I vote for who I believe has the collective best interest of this country in mind, while holding the office with dignity, humility and respect for the individuality of this country’s citizens.
Me too! That’s why I’m voting third party.
It’s a free country. You’re free to be as foolish as you’d like.
So then you’re voting green, right? More people in office than any other third party.
No. I’m not voting for a spoiler Russian shill or a spoiler place holder.
JFK JR doesn’t even register as qualified in my book.
Harris all the fucking way to a living breathing democracy. After that, we start over and see what we have.
But your Green Party is a fucking joke. It’s over. Stein destroyed it.
Popular policies like investing into green energy, capping prescription drug prices, appropriately regulating business, helping students with the price of college, raising taxes on the wealthy and helping first time homebuyers get a house?
Sure, trump did two of those, Biden has done one but promised more, and those don’t touch the problems Americans actually have, like affording rent and groceries while dealing with record inflation and failing economy for all but the wealthiest. If Dems kept half their promises they’d still be 80s Republicans, but at least people wouldn’t be becoming homeless at the fastest rate in US history.
Really? Which two did Trump do?
Arguably Biden has done more than two of those things. At least, not for the lack of trying.
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