On BBC Newsnight the panel of journalists and politicians were discussing Elon Muskās emphatic salute at US President Donald Trumpās triumphal inauguration rally in Washington.
Probably most people have seen Muskās Dr Strangelove moment by now but none of the panel would say what it most clearly was: a Nazi salute.
Musk did not just involuntarily raise his right arm and point his fingers to heaven. He slammed his right hand into his chest, paused for a long moment, and then thrust his arm outwards as tens of millions watched nationwide, and thousands of Trump supporters in the auditorium cheered.
At this point, many people were no doubt watching stunned and wondering if they had just hallucinated Muskās gesture, but helpfully, he then turned his back and did the same salute to those in the seats behind him.
And yet somehow Gabriel Gatehouse, a seasoned BBC observer of US politics and the far right, played down the moment, as did the great sword-carrying failed Conservative leadership contender Penny Mordaunt. Gatehouse suggested it could be a āRoman saluteā and compared it to a cartoon frog that appeared in the 2016 presidential campaign.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Removing this comment is sympathizing with a Nazi.
Make a choice.
Nah, youāre good. We hate fascists here.
The Nazis appropriated the āRoman saluteā as the Nazi salute. Known fact.
Just like no one is buying that your swastika tattoo is the auspicious footprints of the Buddha.
Elon could literally have a tattoo of one on his chest, and his dumbfuck supporters would legitimately start claiming this to be the fact.
Just donāt get mad at the Bahaāiās for the temple in Wilmette. We built that marble encased temple before WWII, and attempted to include as many holy symbols of other faiths as we could on it.
None of the rest of the temples displays a bent cross, because they were built after WWII
Absolutely. The symbol in the right context could certainly be Buddhist. Just not when itās tattooed on your arm next to a rebel flag. Lol
And the Roman salute harkens back to Mussolini, so itās not exactly a huge improvement.
Itās no longer on the front page, but hereās the source anyway.
Full article can be read via archive.is
Thanks! Iāve saved both links to shove in nazi apologists faces.
Nazi salutes can be anything, apparently, but pronouns were too far. Got it.
If anyone wants to see more context hereās some video of what he did: https://youtu.be/h9ytfBg953Q
And for comparisonās sakeā¦
This is an excellently well made gif. Like, thereās only so many way that you can say āTheyāre all bloody Nazisā, so I do respect whoever made this gif for finding such an elegant way to put it in Gif form.
This is pure gold.
Firefox Pocket thought this nonsense was āThought-Provokingā
https://apnews.com/article/musk-gesture-salute-antisemitism-0070dae53c7a73397b104ae645877535
Right-wing extremists are celebrating Elon Muskās straight-arm gesture during a speech Monday, although his intention wasnāt totally clear and some hate watchdogs are saying not to read too much into it.
Itās like these people canāt even be bothered to read the opening paragraph of a fucking Wikipedia article
Democrats will keep losing at this pace when they canāt move past things like this when there is no easy way to prove either way. Plenty of pictures & videos of popular Democrats making similar gestures. This whole concept that if you move your arms in a certain way makes you a Nazi is dumb. PC police will be telling you everything you do offends someone.
Please provide video evidence of anyone in democratic party doing the same gesture.
No, I donāt mean waving with an outstretched arm in a fashion that would look like it in a still photo.
I mean the hard hit to the chest followed by the straight arm and hand that musk displayed both to the people in front and behind him.
āPlease provide a video of a Democrat doing that thing with their arms, but Iām a scared that it might exist so they have to look like Elon, double tap their heart & hold out their arm exactly at the angle Elon did, and they have to turn around after & do something similar in the other direction where I canāt see. If it is at all different then I get to decide, which clearly I am not biased. Wink winkā
That is exactly what most pro-genocide supporters here look like.
This āno uā shit got old in 5th grade.
Tell me you didnāt see the video without telling me you didnāt see the video. Itās a very clear motion towards the front and back of the podium. There is no legitimate reason to mistake it for anything else.
Iām asking you to provide evidence to back your claim that plenty of Democrats have done the āRoman saluteā in video form. I ask for video because anyone can take a picture at an angle to make a false equivalence in bad faith.
You made a claim. Back it up with evidence or shut up about this āboth sides are badā bullshit. There are legitimate claims to deride the party as theyāre part of the problem of taking the Overton window to the right. This is not one of those claims
No easy way? False.
Anybody who intentionally makes a Nazi salute is a Nazi. Absolutely no chance of doing that accidentally.
So, whether your delicate sensibilities like it or not, anybody who moves their arm (not arms, pathetic attempt at distraction btw) in a certain way is, in fact, a Nazi.
Deal with it, snowflake.
I saw the KKK shake each otherās hands so if you shake someoneās hands your now a KKK member. Lol, really this is 100% projection on your part. I guess this is your way of dealing with the massive election loss that you caused by being a genocide enabler. Give yourself a big pat on the backā¦ Oh wait, that means you hate women. Prob shouldnāt move at all else youāll offend the PC police.
So you attend bigot parties. Got it.
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You look like super Karenās to about 80% of the population, but hey you must love Trump & Elon cause all you do is help them win.
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Then move on to actual substantive issues & you wonāt look like a Karen.
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No. It is the blue MAGA people here that love to throw around the term snowflake.
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Being from a nazi family, being found guilty of having an openly racist workplace multiple times, bbacking a party on which the europes stance is they are nazi, agreeing with some pretty nazi ass statements on twitter, having the twitter become overflowing with antisemetisim and racial hate shortly post your takeover, employing a lot of things nazi party did to your companies, engaging in censorship, throwing two nazi salutes at a political rally and not saying a peep about it makes you pretty nazi, idk about you.
Stop being such a snowflake if you canāt handle the facts. You should worry about your new life as a woman.
āTrump is a fascist! Letās run a pro-genocide candidate to defeat him that parades around with Liz Cheney & praises Dick Cheney, a war criminal. Letās send out Mark Cuban to tell everyone how much Democrats love big businesses. Letās script all our interviews & only go on shows that already agree with us. Letās attack other progressive candidates & say that they are Russian agents.ā
Yeah, you did this to yourselves.
Nice whataboutism. You are free to call out others where you see issues, that does not somehow make this any less worse or less noteworthy. No idea why you think that just because there is other shit means that we need to ignore this?
Because it is nothing more than tabloid gossip level opinions. The ADL already came out said it wasnāt a Nazi salute. You havenāt proved it was. Youāre entitled to your opinions, but that is all it is. You do you though but Democrats will continue to lose if they scream at everything.
How to prove something is a Nazi salute if the way it is done is not said proof in itself?
Why do you trust the ADL in this?
I donāt but if anyone is a defender of the Jewish state it is the ADL. They want to make it illegal for students to protest what Israel has been doing in Gaza & are clearly against the ceasefire that Israel already broke, while blaming Hamas.
Being a Nazi has specific context & meaning. While rich people on the right like Musk may fit into some of those categories, it seems more likely that they just care about money & abuse of power, but that their ideology is substantially different than that of Nazis.
If anything it could be strongly argued that Israelās ideology is much closer to that or Nazis.
At what point can we call musk a nazi then? If he publicly recites the 14 words?
What does Elon giving a Nazi salute have to do with Trump? Last I checked nobody suggested banning links to truth social.
People donāt like Nazis and donāt like Musk.
Maybe other people are different but I would not be happy with Elon Musk and twitter if he gave a Nazi salute at a Kamala inauguration. Pretty sure most people donāt like Kamala and thatās why she didnāt win. Many people who voted for her probably thought she was less bad for America than trump.
I donāt like that the price of eggs keeps going up. At the same time I see the wealth of billionaires like Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos grow exponentially. Canāt help but put 2 and 2 together.
I donāt go to church, but I live by the teachings of the bible. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins. Musk has more money than he could spend in a 137,000 American lifetimes and it is still not enough for him.
I see all this online fighting between team red and team blue and canāt help but feel it is by design. Musk, Tik Tok, Google, and Zuckerberg control the algorithms they donāt want people cooperating. It is the best way they can keep the boot populationās neck as they hoard ever more wealth for themselves. At the same time everyone around mes quality of life continues to drop.
Donāt be so surprised that people donāt like Nazis. This isnāt 1940s Germany. At least not yet. Also in the 1940s plenty of people hated Nazis then too. There was even a war and although the Nazis put up a very good fight they were vastly outnumbered.
Also some of the highest grossing and most beloved movie franchises of all time (Star Wars and Indiana Jones) were about fighting and resisting Nazis.
I donāt find it surprising that many people donāt like Nazis but I do find it surprising that other people are.
I wanna see those democrats salute too! I heard a bunch of people claim this but I canāt find a video :/
Itās because theyāre everywhere. Most people will see them & know youāre not trustworthy, but youāll still be pretending they donāt exist.
There arenāt any. Get cancer. In case youre an easily offending snowflake, that word combination was me sending my heart out to you. Very common american expresion everyone does. You heard all the dems say the same thing as well, very easy to find.
Pro-genocide establishment Democratsā¦ āTheyāre the Nazis! Get cancer if you donāt agree!!!ā
Oh now you understand what common gestures and phrases mean suddenly.
Why you spending your first 24h as a woman getting your panties in a bunch? You seen like an easily offended snowflake who just got owned to me.
You totally owned me. Oh you got me so good, Iāll never recover. You can go tell your teenage friends that you owned timewarp on Lemmy. Youāll be so popular & youāll get all the sex.
Are you on meth or something, lol? Youāre unintelligible
Theyāre claiming thereās videos of democrats doing the nazi salute everywhere. And they claim that I am not to be trusted because Iāve not seen any
Itās because there arenāt any. All the stupid responses are photos which can easily be taken out of context. Just a frame out of a video can be sufficient to achieve the look.
But what he did left zero room for misinterpretation. Thereās no need to isolate the movementāitās right there plain as day. He did it twice last to make sure everyone saw it. We will not find any Dems doing that because it would be political suicide to do so.
Anyone trying to claim that was anything but a seig heil is full of shit
Iāve seen stills of Democrats waving to the crowd. In every one that Iāve seen they were exonerated by the context. The context of Elon Muskās salute - in addition to his open flirtation with out and proud Neo-Nazis on Twitter - only makes it more damning. There is absolutely no way you can interpret it as a mistake.
I found elons lemmy account
If I had hundreds of billions Iād be pushing to enact open source & transparency in all forms of government, so no this is not Elon.
Heās a nazi, doing a nazi salute. Grow up.
