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Mexico’s supreme court has decriminalized abortion across the country, two years after ruling that abortion was not a crime in one northern state.
That earlier ruling had set off a grinding process of decriminalizing abortion state by state. Last week, the central state of Aguascalientes became the 12th state to decriminalize the procedure. Judges in states that still criminalize abortion will have to take account of the top court’s ruling.
The supreme court wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it had decided that “the legal system that criminalized abortion in the Federal Penal Code is unconstitutional, [because] it violates the human rights of women and people with the ability to gestate.”
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Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women’s rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.
I suspect a LOT of abortions happening down in the west texas town of el paso.
Pretty crazy. Mexico has traditionally been VERY catholic. The fact that it has become more progressive than the US on women’s rights really speaks volumes about how terrible the US has become.
In some ways it might be about sending a clear signal that they arent interested in following the political or cultural leadership of the US.
Fuck. You mean trump actually made [North] America great again?
Mexico is finally gonna pay for the wall. The wall to keep fleeing Americans out of Mexico.
How many Ds in those chess? We may never know…
How many Ds in Vs is the question
Now we just need a wall on Kentucky’s border with Tennessee.
Nonono, in SPITE of! 😆
They also legalized same sex marriage a while ago. Yes they are religious but they are not “bible belt fundamentalists”… there is also universal healthcare. Did you know several American doctors go study there and just come back to pass the exams? Mexico had it’s problems but it’s not as bad as they make it seem here. Most immigrants that come here are at the bottom of the barrel of the economical scale.
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It’s not all Americans, it’s mostly trash Americans who have nothing else to be proud of except having fallen out of the hole of someone who also happened to be born here.
It seems even the pope is more progressive than American right now.
Legitimately wild for the Pope to point blank call the US regressive.
Not out of hypocrisy (though, yeah - solidarity with survivors and the colonised) - but because he was actually really justified in what he said to reach that.
Wild. Absolutely wild. The US is so comically bad faith a society even the pope can eloquate why it’s awful.
Because like 40% of our people are literally insane and living in a different reality
It boggles my minds that in the USA the catholics are considered the reasonable christians.
The pope doesn’t do shit agains his organisations centuries long paedophilia problem.
Not even the US is that bad.
You don’t have to literally be a pedophile to be truly truly terrible, there’s lots of ways to be that.
That is to say, that does not excuse anyone. “At least we didn’t fuck children” is not a defense or an excuse. The deeper right wing in the US still utter scum that needs to be shown the door and then have a fence built after them (and make them pay for it!) to make sure they don’t come back. Independent of whether the vatican state tried to cover up the church’s massive and systemic pedophilia.
The sbc has a vastly worse pedophilia problem, has for decades, but they can cover it up well because they drive the girls to suicide because nobody would ever believe a good man like their daddy touched them there.
Mexico’s constitution always allowed for abortions in cases of rape or danger to the mother or fetus.
Well, most Americans are progressive on the issues, including abortion, but due to absurd things like the Electoral College, and the way our power is distributed through states and the way in which rural areas have much more influence than they should, conservatives are given way too much power in relation to their numbers.
But without that, the majority would be tyrants!
But… But democracy. And the land of the free! Say it ain’t so…
Oh please, if we didn’t have the electoral college the south wouldn’t be able to serve as the moral compass of the country and couldn’t guide us away from such evils as slavery and racism.
Catholics might be against abortion, but they are no where near as vocal as some other Christian sects in the US.
Also the Catholic church believed abortions were fine until ~5 months for a long time.
That’s absolutely not true, it was just viewed as a sexual sin before. The catholic church has been against abortion since the 1500s, arguably you could even say it goes back to the early 600s when they tried to find ways to distance themselves from pagans. It wasn’t until the late 1960s when public opinion changed about it being a sin against taking life, then I believe in the 70s the Pope made a public statement, which made it canonical.
As a random side note, St. Thomas of Aquinas take on fetal status was kind of interesting. He viewed a fetus as having 3 states or “souls”; a vegetative soul, an animal soul, and finally a rational soul once the body was completely developed.
" In 1591 the new Pope Gregory XIV reversed the decision, declaring abortion to only be homicide if it took place after ensoulment, which he determined took place 166 days into a pregnancy, or well over halfway through the second trimester. This decision lasted for 278 years until Pope Pius IX reversed the decision yet again in 1869 and made abortion after conception a sin that automatically excommunicated those involved in its procurement from the Catholic Church."
166 days would be over 5 months.
From at least 1500s on it was never “fine” it has always been a sexual sin, that can lead to excommunication from the church. How that works in practice is extremely regional. Even prior to the 1500s it was still an excommunicable offense in most areas, there just isn’t documented policy that I know of.
I also love how whatever quote that is from is using the word “trimester” in relation to something from 1591 when the US Supreme Court coined the term centuries later.
They use trimester to make it meaningful to modern readers, not to imply the rule used that language originally. Like if you were to say “a cubit, or about a foot and a half.”
did you fall in love with a Mexican girl?
…people with the ability to gestate.
Got that 1-2 punch of abortion progress and inclusive language.
People that can’t gestate rarely need abortions.
…rarely.
Well there are some days I’d like to abort my neighbor.
If that doesn’t work, retry and eventually ignore.
Something to do with things that mostly come out at night
… mostly.
So far that record is 1/0 for can’t gestate/ got abortion
Edit: shit, I thought this was the other comment about Texas towns arresting people trying to get abortions just as they were driving through.
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Texas should start dusting off their pride flags if they are discouraging men and women from having sex, lmao.
(Not how sexuality works, of course, but it makes me chuckle at the amazing irony of the situation, particularly in light of conspiracy theories like the great replacement and all that nonsense.)
so… women?
traaaaaaaaaannnnnnns
Meanwhile in America red state boarder towns (boarder to blue or another country.) are making laws to stop every women traveling towards an abortion state.
https://abc13.com/texas-abortion-law-highways-new-battleground-in-care-what-is-the/13740276/
That’s right, straight up Handmaid’s Tale shit!
“Under his eye.”
God, I’m so glad I moved out of a shithole state before things went completely off the rails.
At some point, I’m sure people will get tired of constant butthole inspections in these states and will go back to being chill and telling their lazy-ass politicians to focus on stuff that actually matters, instead of whatever distraction this is.
Would love if the federal govt just removes roads and highway funding to states that allow or do not stop this from occurring. The federal interstate program should be just that.
I’m aware of the recent developments in that regard, jfc the whole thing is so fucked up. That and the human trafficking of immigrants to other states. What the fuck is wrong with those states?
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How would they even know?
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Makes sense. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt is their modus operandi.
Did y’all know that Mexico also has a form of universal healthcare. Pretty soon the flow of illegal immigrants might start going the other way.
Lot of folks hop the border for a bit for the far cheaper dental care down there.
I’ve heard of a lot of people doing this. Pretty bad when driving to an entire other country for dental care is cheaper.
Pretty sure Palin admitted to her family hopping the border for cheaper healthcare in Canada.
I’m picturing her going to Russia for cheaper healthcare. She did claim she could see Russia from her house.
That was Tina Fey. Palin said that you can see Russia from part of Alaska which is true since there are a couple islands that are like 10 miles away from some Russian islands. Saying that that gives you some sort of foreign policy experience is idiotic though.
I do remember something about that.
Driving? Hell I had a coworker who would fly there from Alaska to get dental work done and even with his week long hotel stay while he recuperated still saved thousands of dollars
I’ve done this with my wife. It saved us thousands of dollars. And the place was very clean and professional.
I’ve heard horror stories, ironically all from dentists in the US, about dentists in Mexico. But I hear a lot more stories like yours about how it was great, and they managed to save a ton of money.
I’m sure there are scammers, but my wife did a lot of research before we went. The dentist we went to in TJ actually got her degree in San Bernardino, CA like 40 mins from where we live. If you do your due diligence the process can go pretty smoothly, and yes, save a ton of cash.
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There is already a good amount of medical tourism to Mexico from the US.
Like how Utahans were buying insulin from Mexico because it was something like 1/100 the price.
Given how the population of Utah votes that makes them hypocritical
Hah, boomers being hypocritical? They don’t even know the meaning of the word!
I need burn cream by proxy from that comment. Well done.
An insult with a few different layers, well done.
That said, the entire mexican public health service system is absolute shit, so much so that the president acknowleged it as recently a last year.
so much so that the president acknowleged it
Acknowledging it is the first step to improving it. We have Republicans who have the gall to claim that we have the best healthcare in the world.
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Completely agree. The fact they’re restructuring and allocating funds at least seems to suggest that they’re taking it seriously, and even if it’s baby steps, it’s something
Actually… No
The facilities could use some work, yeah, red tape and waiting times are terrible, for sure, medicines availability, thanks for this president have been inconsistent as of late, yes
But… thanks to the perks offered in the job, many of the best doctors and surgeons treat there, the ones that treat also in the expensive hospital are treating in the IMSS (name of the service), so yeah, great surgeons for free if you are willing to go through the long bureaucratic process.
I’ve indeed heard frequently that the best practitioners are found in the IMSS, although in my own experience, whether you have a good experience with the medical professionals and procedures is basically a coin toss, unless you have connections and are able to ask for someone in particular, or personally know one of the practitioners.
Ah.
So white ladies are going to start fleeing across the border to get abortions that they can’t get in the States.
Conservatives really ARE trying to bring us back to the 1950s, aren’t they?
Let them bring back the 1950s tax rate first
I mean, that’s kind of their whole shtick lol
In Europe we are back to the 1920s, so the great depression and another world war are still to come. You should be glad they are trying to bring you only as back as 1950s 🤣🤣🤣
How is Europe back to 1920s?
Nationalism and far right movements are on the surge everywhere (except in Spain where the memory of dictatorship is still relatively fresh, just a generation ago).
Hrm, I would say you’re overstating things, at least in comparison to the very real issues mentioned here that pertain to the US.
Don’t get me wrong, the evolution of politics in countries such as France, Germany, Poland and so on is more than just worrying, it’s downright alarming.
But even in places where the right wing has managed to achieve political power, they have not managed to effect much regressive political change yet. That is to say, the US situation shows what will happen in the EU if this slide continues. And sure, it could be worse if “parties” (I dread to call people who want to abolish the current democracy a political party, tbh) like the AfD attain power, but again that hasn’t happened yet, unlike some clearly xenophobic and active nazi-sympathizers in the US, or people like Santis or MTG.
Both are shit, but compared to the deeper red states in the US and the truly crazy places, most countries in Europe are a massive improvement, even with all their own problems.
At least in Czechia we do no have (or about to have) a psychopath president. So we should be okay for the next 3 years at least.
It’s a nice change after 20 years of misery. I still haven’t gotten used to it.
I think that depends on your definition on Nationalism and far right movements. I personally wouldnt say we are back in the 1920s, but I guess we all have different opinions
Now we’re gonna pay for the wall to keep us in!
That’s quite the Uno reverse they pulled. Makes sense they’d be great at Uno.
Reverse psychology!
The technical term is ‘Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart’.
Wow, Mexican women have more rights than American women. Plus they also have universal healthcare.
Unfortunately that healthcare is shitty and way over capacity. But still, at least we have something we can improve, instead of just nothing at all.
Can you describe that? I feel like everyone says that about Canada, Europe, etc. But when I try to nail down what they are afraid of, they are like, “if I need a knee surgery I want it NOW! That could take months in Canada!”
Is it like that, or are there like actual life threatening problems being unaddressed?
Some of the most recent examples: recently there has been a critical shortage of psychiatric medicines. Lots of people didn’t have access to their antidepressants, antipsychotics, and lots of other medicines you can’t skip without disastrous effects. While I don’t use public health care, I still had trouble finding some of my prescriptions. The equipment and buildings are in disrepair, because of lack of funding and corruption. This year there was a scandal because a girl died crushed by a elevator in a clinic. Then they found lots of corruption with the company that installed the elevators. Some weird things have happened, for example, a woman went for abdominal pain and when she woke up, the doctors had amputated both of her legs. Also, it’s common that women deliver their babies outside the hospital because it is over capacity. Etc, etc…
i can confirm the medicine shortage, not just in psychatric recently, but in other pharma fields, along the years.
our Latin American brothers and sisters in Spain were doing their best to send medicines to their families in LATAM. you could also see people asking on Twitter for medicines. iirc it was commented on the news too.
here in Spain we also have public healthcare, and we all people pay for those medicines so individuals don’t have to assume all the cost on their own. pandemic has shown our healthcare system is not as good, public and clean as our corrupt politicians tend to say, but still, we think public healthcare is the way to go.
in Spain abortion is legal since many years, but a year ago or so, in a region of Spain, a extreme right-wing party wanted to create a regional law to make women asking for abortion feel guilty.
medicians would be obligated to ask women “before aborting, would you want to listen to your baby’s heartbeat, or that we take a 4D radiography of them?”.
the women could refuse, but the medicians would be obligated to ask. this extreme right-wing party tried to push this regional law proposal in an attempt to push antiabortion agenda bypassing the national abortion law.
this right-wing party wanted to make women feel guilty of their abort decision, as if many many women hadn’t had enough guilt, doubt and sadness when asking for abortion bc they aren’t in the position of having a baby (see our emancipation, salary and unemployment rates), or they weren’t even in a position of conceiving in first place (rape, mental suffering, codependency, drug abuse, etc.). this political party wanted to take advantage on these women’s situation of vulnerability. that’s horrible.
(also in that region, big part of medicians and population overall were known of being right-wing and sexist. that’s how this right-wing party got power to propose this law).
fortunately, it seems we have progressed, to the point many medicians were the most angry at this, and them, along with feminists (many are both), and citizens in general didn’t allow this law to happen in this region of Spain.
but sorry for digressing, the main point is that many people in Spain are very happy for Mexico. we wish you the best. we hope our LATAM siblings get the progress and independence they wish and deserve. we are on it too here. let’s do this 💪
Jesus
Your complaints are valid, but I’m going to counterpoint US healthcare for those that reads this and is “Ah hah!”
The US is getting hit by the same med shortage, I’m not as strongly linked but I know a couple friends being bounced from one anti-depressant to another because one after another went short.
But our for profit system is literally shuttering hospitals across the country. What you’ll get is private investment firms that buy up hospitals, bleed them for capital until the hospital is unable to run and it closes. Kansas right now is one of the worst states for hospitals in rural places where they’re closing up left and right. One of my hospitals I traveled to that I was shocked didn’t close was because a doctor committed suicide and had evidence on his phone that he molested patients while they were under sedation. This brought JACO and every other hospital regulatory commission on this hospital where it was found the hospital was bought up by one private capital firm after another, their debt dumped on the hospital and sold off. Literally the commissions coming in is all that saved the hospital because the current firm is now being forced to modernize the hospital and get it back to standards.
And in the case of the abortions being criminalized, states that have it criminalized are now having OBGYN doctors leaving the state than have to be put into a struggle against their ethics and the draconian law, leaving birthing centers closed up in hospitals and leaving it to the ERs that are already over capacity from being the only safety net left to those that can’t afford insurance and all the hospital closures pushing more to those individual places.
And yet still, it’s at least there. And it’s being improved time over time. Mexico today is leaps and bounds ahead of Mexico 20 years ago. I know, I’ve lived here for 20 years. People here at least care
In Canada, yes stuff like joint surgeries can take a little longer to queue… But I have never actually known anyone to die on a waitlist and the turn around for things like cancer is pretty short.
The trade off is stuff like there was a friend’s Dad that needed an emergency medical transfer from a smaller rural hospital. They did it by helicopter ambulance and he spent just shy of three months in hospital in intensive care. He didn’t have any additional medical insurance but his family never needed pay for anything. Furthermore the hospital contracted with a hotel near by so his family could stay in a nice place walking distance to the hospital for around 20 bucks a night.
We as a country have a very small population, about the population of the state of California spread over more land mass than the entirety of the US and then some. There are challenges with that and the fact our dollar is weaker so it’s overall less lucrative, but the turn around regarding knee surgeries make a lot of sense once you realize that. Changing our system to a pay-per-play would not necessarily alleviate the wait times.
The land of the free.
Freedom isn’t free, it costs folks like you and me…
Buck O five
if only they still controlled texas
As a Mexican, no thank you, its yours now.
Lmao can’t agree more
California returning to Mexico would be a good thing for the US
California generates about 15% of the United States GDP. If it was its own country it’d have about the 6th highest GDP in the world.
So no, it returning to Mexico would in fact not be a good thing for the U.S.
Probably one of those people who buys the social media BS claiming California is a “liberal hellscape”.
That notion is hilarious to me as a Texan that used to travel up and down the west coast regularly for work. I’ve been to many areas of California that are just as red as any rural areas in Texas. It’s exactly the same as every other state(I’ve been to 48 of the 50 at least several times each state). Rural areas tend to be skewed red, urban tends to be skewed blue. I guess the simplicity of that is hard to see if all the online content you consume is propaganda…
are hawaii and alaska the 2/50 you haven’t visited?
Its either that or its Maine and Utah.
What kind of silly notion is that?
That would take a lot of federal tax dollars away from states you probably like.
We’d rather take Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho make a demented little western federation of sorts. Also Idaho and Arizona are being taken for resource rights.
Idaho is right next to Utah. You wouldn’t want to be there when the Great Salt Lake dries up in a few years.
Good for Mexico, that’s awesome! Too bad the U.S. is such a fucking backwards excuse of a country.
tfw Mexico becomes more desirable than the USA in the future
Some states in Mexico than some states in the USA quite possibly.
Fuck I should’ve learned Spanish
Lo siento pinch
See, I don’t know if I should be saying thank you or fuck you right now
I’m an ass so I’ll take any sort of Comms right now :)
I should have taken my Spanish class more seriously, too.
That always was a great example of the education system was failing in the U.S. So many people I know spending 1-3 years of school having to take a foreign language, yet most of them didn’t learn the language to a degree that was usable anywhere. We never took it seriously and no one made us. If a person tries to learn a language over the course of school year and has 20+ others in that class also trying to learn the same language, it should have been easy to learn. We had people to practice with.
What is the best way to leave The United States?
You can’t, trump walled you in.
Generally, physically.
Spiritually is okay as a stopgap solution, say while completely stoned out of your mind, but physically and permanently is what I would advise to actually improve your standard of living. Depending on your language skills and which languages you already know, good possible destinations include:
- Canada
- Ireland
- Germany
- Norway
- Sweden (Norwegian language is probably easier for an american though, tbh)
If in dire straits you could also go to the UK. Especially Scotland is a really beautiful place, but keep in mind as a country UK is quite, well, fucked. It’s still a good destination, but if you’re moving, might as well do better.
I would take Sweden out of that, that country is a sinking ship right now. Go to Norway or Finland instead.
… wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter,
It’s amazing how many times online and on TV I hear people phrase things just like this.
No one is just calling “X”, X.
Xitter.
This is great, considering in Chinese Xi sounds like shi
Precisely correct. Not sure Elmo really thought it through.
I’ve been interpreting it like “the artist formerly known as Prince”
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It’s like when Prince became “the artist formerly known as Prince”…
“The artist formerly known as Twitter”
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In that case it’s because he chose an unpronounceable symbol as his name. X is just stupid.
Just call it twitter. Lonnie doesn’t respect name changes for Trans people. Don’t respect his company’s name change.
It’d be fun to keep a tracker of how many conservatives clutch their pearls with this decision and then go vacation in Mexico on the beach. Remember, your taxes being used for abortions is evil, but willingly spending your money in Mexico and paying for abortions there is a-okay!
Lmao while you’re at it, maybe Mexico is playing 4D chess and abortions become a source of income as a tourist service
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The supreme court wrote on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, that it had decided that “the legal system that criminalized abortion in the Federal Penal Code is unconstitutional, [because] it violates the human rights of women and people with the ability to gestate.”
The court’s sweeping decision on Wednesday comes amid a trend in Latin America of loosening restrictions on abortion, even as access has been limited in parts of the United States.
GIRE, a reproductive rights organization based in Mexico City, said the court decided that the portion of the federal penal code that criminalized abortion no longer has any effect.
Across Latin America, countries have made moves to lift abortion restrictions in recent years, often referred to as a “green wave”.
After decades of work by feminist activists across the region, the wave picked up speed in Argentina, which in 2020 legalized the procedure.
Many organizers worry, however, that the lifting of restrictions may not translate to expanded access in highly conservative and religious countries.
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