Why you should know: StackOverflow is facing a mod strike in a similar way as Reddit’s mod strike. They are doing this in response to StackOverflow’s failure to address it’s promises and provide moderation tools
Thank you for posting this. I had no idea this was going on. What are companies thinking when they implement policies that hamper volunteers? You’d think they’d want to engage, and keep happy, these people that give their time.
Companies don’t even care beyond bare minimum for the labor that they pay why would they care about the labor they don’t lol
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This awfulness is usually seen with bigger companies, especially ones who are going or have gone public on the stock market.
The basic premise for a capitalistic market economy isn’t something I don’t like per se; consumers choose to buy goods or services from a company that best serves their needs (demand), and companies strive to provide that (supply), and the best providers win. Consumers get a great service or product (as exemplified in your example), and to do that, the staff are motivated and well paid to do so.
The shitty part is when both are disregarded in modern day late stage capitalism for the shareholder, which results in sheninagans that treat both customer and staff poorly, in the name of short-term profits.
Amazon customer service is great and they still treat their employees like shit.
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Can’t resist. Leon Redbone. Enjoy.Sure, but then they are organizations that are not yet fully incorporated (lol) into the system of end stage financial capitalism… They haven’t been commodified yet.
“What are companies thinking”
It turns out I actually have the ability to convert thoughts to text for any company CEO or Board Member. So allow me to post an excerpt of what I’ve found:
“moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoneyiwishepsteinwerestillheremoneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney”
What are companies thinking when they implement policies that hamper volunteers?
“Money!”
they are thinking “oh crap we have no idea how to survive in this market we are going to die, thrash and do anything to survive”
Siding with the community is one thing. I couldn’t understand the core demand of the community, though.
Apparently, the community wants to ban AI-generated answers. But it’s unrealistic to filter AI-generated text, and I thought the quality control has been done through user votes anyway.
Fun fact: the stack exchange for research mathematics, MathOverflow, is a separate 501©(3) nonprofit which at any time can pack up their stuff and migrate, including their domain name and all of their data, per the agreement they made when they joined the stack exchange network in 2013, originally operating the site themselves since 2009.
https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathoverflow/970#970
While the MathOverflow site is operated by Stack Exchange, Inc., the domain and the MathOverflow name are owned by the MathOverflow corporation. The MathOverflow corporation is completely independent from Stack Exchange and its mission is to ensure the continued operation of the site in a manner that meets the needs and expectations of the community.
Subject to Section 8, should MathOverflow wish to migrate its data outside of the Stack Exchange network, Stack Exchange shall, within thirty (30) days of receipt of a written request from MathOverflow, provide MathOverflow with a complete and current database that contains all the data necessary to recreate MathOverflow on MathOverflow’s own servers and software. Following such transfer, Stack Exchange will cease all use of the MathOverflow database.
If they don’t like how the site is being run, they can leave. Food for thought. If all communities on the internet were so careful and prescient to plan an exit strategy in advance, to make clear that you just operate our site and we can leave for a competitor, we’d not be in this mess.
If all communities on the internet were so careful and prescient to plan an exit strategy in advance, to make clear that you just operate our site and we can leave for a competitor, we’d not be in this mess.
That’s why God invented the GPL.
If only /r/AskHistorians were this prescient.
Unlike Reddit, Stack Overflow would probably be better without moderators.
In fact, you could easily replace Stack Overflow mods with a script that goes into every new question, comments “USE THE FUCKING SEARCH BAR” and locks the thread.
Replace them with a script that goes into every comment and put “duplicate of existing post”.
Even if there is no existing post.
Or there is but it was ages ago, had no decent answers and all information in it has become outdated.
I don’t think so: Stack Overflow requires much more moderation for the comments and answers to actually stay on topic and be somewhat professional. Especially the “don’t just link somewhere, explain the thing” rule might require a lot of moderation.
Moderation will probably be done by AI in the future. It’s probably just a bit too expensive still.
People on stack overflow explain things?
Me: Good for them, that’s great hope they get want they want.
Me, to myself, in bed at night: Oh god how will I code
At least we have readily available AI tools to help
Trained on old stack overflow answers, so newer things could be a problem.
The new Copilot for Docs beta aims to solve that problem by providing the AI context about the libraries you’re using, new or old. It’ll have all the information from the documentation, so it will know all the functions, parameters, outputs, etc.
Is there a FOSS alternative to stackexchange yet?
All open source forum software pretty much
Yeah, before StackOverflow took over everything my web searches for programming problems would usually lead to forum threads. The quality of information would usually be better there, too.
Ironically StackOverflow was formed to solve the problem of every language or tech stack being in their own forums, IRCs, and mailing lists, numbered in the bazillions and non-indexed. Basically Reddit for Q&As.
Ironically StackOverflow was formed to solve the problem of every language or tech stack being in their own forums, IRCs, and mailing lists, numbered in the bazillions and non-indexed.
Is it decentralized and federated?
https://www.codidact.com/ was started in response to the previous round of exactly the same shitty behaviour from the stack exchange management a few years ago.
Following
Seems like Lemmy has a starring functionality.
Stack overflow has mods?
Closed: This question has already been answered 5 years ago here <link to completely unrelated question>
Better yet: “this question has been answered here <link to old question, answer does not work/doesnt apply or work anymore>”
Found that out today too
Dammit it’s AI again. What can I say. It’s been causing more destruction of things I care about, and all I see from AI is scams and impersonations.
This actually reminds me of a book by Charles Stross called Accelerando. Human explorers during a time in which people upload their minds to computer systems travel to (and this part is fuzzy in my memory), a world orbiting a brown dwarf. The world is just a giant computer and it’s inhabited almost entirely by superintelligent banking scams and viruses. It turns out that almost all “life” in the universe is like this, just parasitic AI that serves no real purpose other than to fuck over other people for short-term gains. Anyway, I’ve been thinking about that book more and more in recent years.
Check out Codidact for a community run alternative!
Duplicated, here’s a link to a totally unrelated question made 10 years ago that didn’t got any answer anyway.
The answer is to use jQuery. Always jQuery.
OMG these responses drive me bananas. I’m searching for a code solution and I keep landing on “Duplicated” dead ends with dead end links posted as the solution. Why do they leave it just sitting there?? WHY???
I really hope protesting social media/websites owner’s BS becomes a regular practice
I agree, but on the other hand if we moved to decentralized platforms no strikes would be necessary. People only do this, because a company is holding their content as a hostage.
Striking would just be replaced with defederation. For example lemmy.world has been defederated by a bunch of instances because it allows anyone to sign up for an account.
If stackoverflow was a Lemmy instance, I think people would just host a new one and move there?
Some people might do that. But lemmy.world is a very well run community that has never done anything offensive, and yet it’s still defederated by some of the biggest lemmy instances.
That proves defederation is for more than just spam/illegal content/harassment.
Youtube needs a lot of creator strikes to get back to the way it used to be!
While I agree, I think this is unlikely because unlike Reddit and StackOverflow modding, YouTube content creators rely on YouTube for their livelihoods.
If even the elitist programmers at stack overflow that know everything and discourage questions like it is some sort of question and answers site can be effected by companies taking from the communities, it can happen to anyone.
Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Welp. That’s it. The internet is closed for business. Thanks for stopping by
The new corporate internet is slowly dying, seems like. About time to go back the the more grassroots internet if possible. The rich won’t save us.
Instead of hoping that the corporation will change, they should just move to the fediverse.
Always surprised by companies outsourcing all their moderation to unpaid volunteers and then act shocked when they’re ready to pause their work.
I never got any help asking questions there anyways. Answers I got back we’re trollish. When I provide and answer it can’t be the answer as it’s based on your own reputation score which you can’t get but answering questions. It seems like a flawed system. Didn’t know they had mods either. Never really got any solutions either from stack overflow, unless you read every comment for the right answer.
