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These posters make me want to organize.
It tells me that they think paying for graphics, ads etc are just a fraction of what I can gain.
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I suspect that’s why it’s hanging right above the fingerprint/face scanner punchcard kiosk.
Never forget: If a company doesn’t want you to have it, it’s probably a good for you.
It really is that simple.
Most companies don’t want you to drink cyanide, but it isn’t good for you. Most companies don’t want you getting hurt on the job. Most companies don’t want you drinking or doing drugs while using heavy equipment. All these things arent good for you.
I’m not saying to unionize or not, but the logic is fallacious.
The fact they are putting these up should let you know it’s something you want to join
Agree. I don’t understand why Amazon thinks this will help, like “hello people, Union is a thing that we’re really afraid of, haven’t you heard?”
Because they want to plant that seed of doubt and fear.
Might not work for you, but unfortunately there are a lot of naive or insecure folks out there.
People are so used to getting gaslit by megacorps, they just eat that shit up unquestioned
I do feel like this is smart. The first two points are whatever but the third one “typically you must go through union instead of your supervisor or manager” makes it sound like there is a lot of bureaucratic overhead to it. People who are undecided could feel that it’s too much effort.
If you can think critically, sure. But large amounts of the population are dumb as bricks and will believe this literally just because it’s on a poster.
Obligatory, “if a company is trying to convince you you don’t need a union, you need a union”.
Unions are like condoms, in that regard.
The amount of effort your company goes into dissuading you from starting a Union, is proportional to how much you need one.
Reasons not to join union:
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No guarantee that they will help at all mitigating our blatant exploitation of the workforce
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Uh, it is un-american.
The un-american argument always makes me laugh. Ah yes, Unions bad, good thing I live in the U.S.A where Unions aren’t a thing. no siree, you won’t find a single Union here, that’s for sure!
Correct! They’re un-american in this union of states…
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The creepy part is how you’re supposed to turn in anyone who discusses unions or unionizing.
They literally tell you “if you hear someone discussing something against the company’s best interests, say something!”
How’s it not illegal?
Because Amazon can afford lawyers, and people who work for Amazon can’t…
It’s only illegal if the person you hurt is rich enough to sue you…
Ding ding ding, it is absolutely illegal. If I’m not mistaken the existence of the posters at all is illegal, not just certain parts. But the labor boards won’t go after them since they are one of the biggest employers in the country for now. Believe me, that won’t last. In the next few years they will have the packing centers 100% automated and eliminate the majority of the 950,000 jobs they “provide”.
Exactly what I mean. It’s illegal, but to them it’s not because they’re so rich that, apparently, they’re now above the law…
murica
They used to send the actual military to shoot at people attempting to unionize.
Crazy that they are using the same tactics to hinder unionizing that they used a hundred years ago.
“Oh no, I’ll have to go through someone who actually has my interests at heart and not my shitty manager! Damn unions!”
And no, you don’t have to go through the union instead of your supervisor/manager. In my union job, they’d send a witness/advocate along with someone if they had an issue where a manager was involved.
The union was corrupt, but despite that it was still the best factory job I’ve worked in (ok another one was also not bad but that was mostly because no one really gave a fuck about the stupid shit there and everyone just did their jobs without fucking with each other). The pay was high enough that when I was looking for something better, I realized a certification I had started wasn’t going to mean more money, just different work for similar money.
Yea. I had a shop steward sit in on all my meetings with management. They represent the union, it’s influence, and it’s contract. They make sure everyone is playing by the rules and management doesn’t take advantage of an employee that doesn’t know labor laws, policies and procedures, their work contract, or the union contract.
It wasn’t a requirement for meeting with management, but it was something a manager could not refuse if requested by the employee. Any meeting with management would be delayed until a shop steward was available.
I was a strong advocate for every employee to have one with all meetings with management.
Yeah, Amazon is trying to present it as extra red tape everyone will have to deal with, but it’s really the union will help you get through the company’s red tape. The union’s red tape is more about its own power structure, which will have the usual problems that go along with any kind of power, but the union still serves to balance the employer’s power.
It’s not a guarantee they have your interests and heart, but your odds are a lot better than your supervisor having your interests and heart.
Your supervisor has a duty to put the good of the company ahead of the good of the employee or they’re risking their own jobs.
Why don’t people understand this simple fact ?
interests and heart
Yeah, I hate it when my supervisor steals my vital organs.
It’s not a guarantee they have your interests and heart
No, but it’s at least in their job description to act accordingly.
That’s why I advise anyone who has anything important happening to them to first seek advise from an organization that deals with worker rights, a union or a lawyer, as HR are there to protect the company, not to help you.
If they help you, it’s only because that’s what’s beneficial to the company and their personal allegiances in the company.
Straight lies. How can you tell someone that unions cannot guarantee anything?
Sure a union technically can not guarantee anything. But I’ll guarantee you’ll be in a million times stronger position with a union.
They’re also spreading this nonsense at my hospital where we’re actively organizing right now. It preys on people’s ignorance of how legal contracts work.
Your lease doesn’t guarantee that your landlord won’t violate its terms either. But it does give you the ammunition to take them to court and win compensation, if they do.
The same applies to a union contact. It’s legally binding in the same way. Sure the company technically can violate the terms of that agreement. But the union is going to escalate the issue to the NLRB and/or sue them in court, if they do. And you will win, if you provide the evidence that they violated the legally binding contract.
This is what disingenuous corporations call “not guaranteed”
Unions literally cannot guarantee you money, dude. Other than what’s in their coffers, and what is “drawn up” in advance, collected for, and spelled out in a written agreement.
Especially fragile new unions, they don’t have jack shit going for them. The company isn’t going to help it form, and they might choose to fire dissenters attempting to unionize. During a strike or demonstrations, even with a formed union, the company isn’t going to pay the workers for not working. In this way, the company is correct in saying “there are no guarantees of pay”. Hell if they don’t like you there’s no guarantee of a job at all, if there’s no established union.
It’s all talk, speculation until a formed union draws up a legal, enforceable contract that both company & union agree to. CBA, as it’s called (Collective Bargaining Agreement).
It’s the company who has to sign off on the CBA, too.
A union can ASK for things, but it’s always the company guaranteeing it.
“You can’t guarantee that your new collective bargaining agreement will be honored by us.”
If conditions were left up to corporations children would still be working, we’d be doing 12 hours a day 6 days a week and Charles Dickens a Christmas Carol would be an autobiography on the current bestsellers list.
Corporations are interested in making profits, paying shareholders, managers getting their bonuses, workers are don’t make the top 10.
Never forget when Amazon called the guy who organized a strike “inarticulate” even though his speaking talent was literal poetry.
For those of you unaware, that was a dogwhistle. The strike leader was black.
“Have to go through a union instead of a supervisor or manager.”
Like anyone wants to go to an Amazon manager.
“Hey Manager Amy Zone, can I have a bit of time off for my leg to heal? It was just partially crushed by a stack of Prime Day boxes.”
“Employee 3869310, in the time it took you to get across the warehouse to ask me that dumbass question, you just used up the last of your bathroom breaks for the day. As an act of mercy, here’s my empty Amazon Basics Hyrdration Drink bottle. Just try not to piss all over the floor when you use it. Now get your ass back to work!”
That was my first thought. Sounds like a great benefit.
There’s also the fact that that’s not true.
I’m union (USPS) and the only thing I’d ever do that would require me to go to the union is a schedule change, and the only reason for that is so the union can make sure I’m of sound mind and making this decision out of personal interest and not at the request/insistence of management - I have a schedule and any time worked outside of that is at time and a half, so if management wants me to change my hours for them, they gotta start paying me 50% more, or just give me overtime. Unions are cool
I thought this was against the law?
Amazon denied that they were doing it as a company (of course they did).
Luckily, the union won this election and it was certified in january of this year
100% they did.
Passive posters like this aren’t. Actively intimidating potential members is. And interfering with a vote is super illegal.
But posters aren’t.
As long as you don’t get caught, there’s no one to blame. That’s what they do.
There’s nothing illegal about putting up a poster with nonsense on it. People like to over react on those. Putting up a question isn’t Union busting.
In the UK, any prejudice towards union activities is illegal.
As a business owner, you could say “I don’t like unionism” etc. But you couldn’t ask your employees to grass up fellow colleagues for talking about unionism.
Yup, pretty much the same here. Most of the things that people flip out about are super vague, harmless, and wouldn’t convince anybody of anything.
I did a seasonal stint at a Target Warehouse recently, and while there wasn’t anything blatantly antiunion, the effort is absolutely there. There is alot of talk about open door policies, open communication lines between management and workers, and a culture of “trust”. My emphasis, their words. They also have a standing policy that, out of context, is very odd. Knowing what I do about antiunion measures, it’s very blatant. They have a fiercely reinforced policy that there is to be no distribution of any papers or solicitation of any kind during work hours or on Target property. They attempt to rationale it with an example of people “asking for kids fundraising orders or public funding websites”. Personally I’ve never known those to be even a mild distraction at any workplace.
I understand not doing it during work hours, but it should absolutely be allowed to happen on the property.
How is this legal?
I work for a massive massive corp and we watch anti union videos (it’s required) I think once a year in our online courses.
Almost everywhere I’ve ever worked has forced me to sit through anti union videos, but the place I’m currently at had by far the longest, most forceful and blatantly filled with fabrication video by far. It’s not at all surprising to say that it’s BY FAR the worst job I’ve ever had in my life. Don’t work for Big Lots if you can find ANYTHING else guys, it’s not worth the pain.
Went through the same thing with Ross. Absolute shit show of a company and they treat their workers like trash. Of course we had to sit through a blatant anti union video the first day.
Sorry you had to go through that. I’m pretty sure Walmart is just as bad, with Target and any similar store trailing close behind.
I highly doubt it. I’ve worked many retail jobs including several other stores, none came even in the same ballpark as being as bad as Big Lots.
People shoukd go into a video screening like that and all collectively (get it?) bring eggs and toss them when that anti union video starts
That’s the best part! It’s not!
But since nobody actually enforces the laws that make this illegal, everybody fucking does it. I can’t think of a single job I’ve ever worked that didn’t have anti-union posters except for the one job I’ve had that was unionized.
Wait how is passive illegal? I thought the intimidation had to be active
It depends on the state. For a majority of states like California and Minnesota? Illegal. Texas? They can force you to go to anti-union meetings and more and it’s legal.
