…a lot of people do argue against their cause, though, is the thing. We cannot wait for change to happen, we gotta force some hands.

people constantly argue against their cause being right, because their cause is we need to work on fixing the problems as much as possible and governments are not doing that

Exactly, I don’t understand how this is such a controversial take apparently.

But do you think you would have thought about Climate change this week, if not for this act?

As someone else said ab attack on oil buildings is less news worthy.

They have also targeted luxury car dealerships. People said the exact same things they always say when they do anything.

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As a poor person who loves art in many mediums, this is a pretty bleak and depressing take. Yes some art is that, but there’s a reason people travel from all the world over to see the Sistine Chapel or the Eiffel Tower. There’s a reason poor people feeling like their voice isn’t heard pick up a pen or a brush, or film, or a spray can, etc.

Art isn’t only that though and if that’s the point it’s going to go unnoticed and unrealized by most people rendering any symbolism or point moot. A circlejerk where people pat themselves on the back on the oh-so-deep symbolism and historical callbacks is not going to change anything but the brunches of some pretentious assholes who think they’re saving the world when they’re actually doing more harm than good.

This is more like protesting the fur industry by releasing the caged, tortured animals into the wild to wreak more havoc as an invasive species to the enviroment and ecosystem they’re released into, but at least people can cheers themselves for making a difference.

… do you think they aren’t going to be liable for damaging art that is worth as much as or more than most common cars?

Because art gets them more publicity.

Out of curiosity, how many news articles about them throwing paints on oil company owned building or luxury cars dealership did you shared ?

Similar to the movement that’s prominent in small Scottish fishing villages - Just Stop Watercolour

Wait… was Nord Stream an activist job?

Only extreme things make it into the media (sadly). Anything short of blowing up the pipeline won’t get them media attention.

I’m really not arguing against the obvious futility of fighting against these giants, but I mean, we’re here literally talking about people vandalizing paintings which honestly has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the oil industry and it’s hailed as some big statement. It’s a sad reality we live in, but things like this aren’t making anything better.

Sort of a joke, given how many oil leaks our infrastructure is already riddled with.

Doing a little light domestic terrorism would be a drop in the bucket beside the enormous amount of waste polluting our groundwater and riverways. But new media would fixate on it as the de facto reason why oil spills exist, for the next twenty years.

This gets just as much attention for much less jail time.

We could be seeing this soon tbh. Not that encourage it.

A lot of these goons are paid by oil to make environmentalists look bad, and they do a good job at it. Even if they are real, they are so pathetic that they wouldn’t dare to do anything that would have an actual effect on the world like you said.

That’s senseless violence which doesn’t accomplish anything… CEOs are easier to replace than a painting.

The arts are like one of the first things to go if shit will start to go down due to climate change

The fact that you see vandalism and protest as mutually exclusive is really odd. Reminds me of the liberal types who claim they’re all for protesting and yet draw the line at anything past marching or petitioning maybe.

Super great deflection technique by the big oil guys by the way - everyone’s arguing over art in a museum rather than holding them accountable

There’s no fairy tale where our gluttonous way of life continues undisrupted.

Either we change the way we live and continue to live on a planet worth inhabiting, or more likely we stay the course, and that decision will be made for us through deadly changes to the climate that will take generations to heal if we let it even then.

This isn’t a negotiation. This is physics. Yet humans still believe they can massage the facts into something more palatable.

It’s really funny because the system we are now living in is already made of dreams and pixie dust. Infinite growth in a world with finite resources? You have to be insane to advocate for that bullshit… or rich.

No. It’s not getting in the way of fossil fuel production. It’s getting in the way of an art museum and coercing them into calling the cops to get them thrown out, achieving nothing useful in the process.

You have to disrupt and coerce the fossil fuel producers

I’m not arguing for the value of the paintings but the idiocy of the protest. If it worked for the suffragettes (where it is even fathom able that it might have some relevance to the protest, unlike here) good for them, but this is nothing like that. This just paints them as idiots and does very little less. A common tactic used by the whatever shitty thing that’s supposedly being protested is to make fools of the protesting party. Even though this is apparently just idiots making everybody in the movement look bad. Yay. Lotta good that does…

If these idiotic stunts aren’t a smear campaign, these morons are doing their work for them.

The planet is not, in fact, dying. A lot of species that humans care about are dying. The bedbugs and termites and rats are doing fine; it’s the corals and butterflies and emperor penguins that are having trouble.

(This is an important distinction because of the existence of human extinctionists: those who think that humans should kill ourselves off so that life can prosper in our absence. Thing is, only humans care about what’s going on in a different continent from our own. A polar bear does not care what happens to penguins.)