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Either we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent americans or we vote for the guy who wants to murder innocent non-americans like the last twenty presidents.
Absolutely ridiculous to think Trump wouldn’t kill non-americans.
The choice is genocide overseas, or tyranny here and genocide overseas.
It fucking sucks, but the GOP needs to be dismantled before we can bargain for better options.
I’m voting for the geezer in 2024, but let’s be real - Dems will never give us a better option. Biden is genuinely a pretty good president comparatively (imo), but real change will not come from either mainstream party. Don’t forget what they did to Bernie in 2020, or why Buttigieg is the Secretary of Transportation. (They’re the same)
I don’t think trump wouldn’t kill non-americans I just figured it was a given and wouldn’t need to be mentioned.
Your original comment implied that you’re choosing one kind of death or the other, the fact is Trump will cause more suffering and to handwave it to be the same as Biden is dangerous.
Yeah trump is old too, but if he dies, nobody cares. If Biden does though, all we have left is Harris to protect us from Johnson.
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The candidate who is currently president after winning the election in which he earned the popular vote? That unpopular candidate?
I’m not denying it and I, for one, am happilly voting for Biden. I’m emphasizing the reason why him being old is scary.
No. You said something that indicates anything other than utter orgasmic delight at the prospect of Biden being the best the party will ever be willing to do. That means you’re a trumpist.
Biden’s presidency has been the best for progressives in 50 years. The outrage about Biden is laughable.
You do know if Biden died a new vice president would then be appointed, right? I could see congress trying to hold that up but I think the Republicans would face an uphill battle, and that’s only presuming they don’t lose their house majority like they did in 2020.
Jesus fucking Christ…
Is this to suggest that out of all the options in the DNC, Biden is not just the best one available, but the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?
That is a hella sad implication.
It’s kinda sad as well that after four years at the helm (arguably), the best the dude can go with as a campaign is to just drag out the same lame ass “I’m not trump” he ran on last time… Not that “I’m not trump” isn’t worthy of a vote, it is in my opinion, but shit man, you can’t hold up anything else, after 4 years?
Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?
Just like Hillary was the only person who could beat him in 2016…
I feel like we’re sleepwalking into a dictatorship because of old fucks thinking they know better and that now is their time.
Unfortunately we’re in a position this election cycle where our options are vote for old fuck, or let Nazi old fuck win.
I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle. There’s a much larger and important issue on the table than age and it needs to be dealt with first.I’m not thrilled about it either but it’s something we can sort out after this election cycle
Said everyone who ever defended the preferred candidate of the DNC to someone with actual ideals and principles every single election cycle for the last 40+ years.
That’s how we got to a situation where a Trump presidency was anything but a throwaway joke from The Simpsons that was supposed to be over the top satire.
Do you seriously think Biden’s age is more important than allowing the US to fall into a Nazi dictatorship?
No. His age is a minor thing. It’s (almost) everything ELSE about him that should preclude him from being the only alternative to fascism.
He’s for sure the lesser evil compared to Trump, by miles, and I hope everyone who can votes for him, but that doesn’t mean that he’s not still an evil.
An extremely ambitious politician from Pennsylvania doesn’t just move to tiny little Delaware for reasons unrelated to it being the most corporation-friendly state in the union and “the Senator from MBNA” is no exception.
STFU. Name another presidency in the last 50 years that has been more progressive than Biden. We’ll fucking wait. SMH.
That of Obama and even that of Clinton, when you adjust for the general public being much less progressive AND much less informed in the 90s than now.
That Biden made a good cabinet appointment or two on the advice of people more progressive than himself and his PR department hailed the infrastructure bill as saving the environment (even though it stipulates a manifold increase in federal fossil fuel leases before any new renewable energy programs are allowed to even BEGIN and privatizes more public infrastructure than it funds) doesn’t mean that Biden, a conservative barely if at all to the left of Joe Manchin, is progressive.
In conclusion, YOU are the one who needs to STFU and stop drinking the neoliberal kool-aid.
This election cycle? This will be the third election cycle where the only thing going for dems is “well you don’t want the other guy, so you???”
4th. Second time, Obama had been governing as a neoliberal rather than the progressive he ran as at first, so Not A Corporate Raider Animal Abusing Religious Fundamentalist Hypocrite was the best reason the Left had to vote for Obama again.
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Yes this has big Hillary 2016 vibes.
If Biden is so confident he’s the best suited to beat Trump, why not hold a primary so the voters can back him up? There are some interesting challengers to the left of him with actual populist positions and meaningful intent to follow through on them.
The truth these geriatrics don’t want to hear is that Biden is one of the few Dem candidates who can LOSE to Trump. And he’s dead set on doing so.
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years. Way more progressive policies passed than Obama but I guess none of that matters because he’s old.
I am not sure I agree with best in 50, but I’m open to being wrong. I do know that each time I read a list of his achievements, it’s kind of impressive for someone who gets shit on constantly
Meanwhile this has been the best Democratic presidency in 50 years.
How utterly depressing.
lol. How influenced by the social media algorithms do you have to be to interpret “best” as “utterly depressing”?
Someone blithely asserting that this is the best Democrats are capable of is utterly depressing.
I’m sorry your standard for “best” is “some rando on the internet said it was best!”
Name a better presidency for progressives from a policy perspective in the last 50 years. I’ll wait.
Obama. The ACA, even the version we got after centrist Democrats gutted it with zero help from Republicans, is still a greater accomplishment than Biden’s entire damned presidency.
And touting that as a great accomplishment is almost as pathetic as pretending that Biden has been a good president as far as progressive policy is concerned. If this is all we have to show for the past 50 years, “utterly depressing” is high praise.
Traditionally, Incumbent has higher chances of winning. DNC whole thing is taking “no risks”. I remember how people would say they loved Burnie and still voted for Biden in the primaries. I’m like wtf. DNC slogan should be “not the GOP”. Sad part is risk of Trump is too high for third party middle finger vote. people did that when DNC shafted Bernie the 1st time and we got trump. DNC knows this.
It would be great to do the third party middle finger vote but that just gets the fascist elected. I see people complaining about Biden (even though I think he’s doing a pretty good job, despite the shortcomings) and say they won’t vote for him if he doesn’t do some single issue thing and I just can’t help but think that’s a super special level of privilege. Like really?
I guess it really is super privilege to think third party route or abstaining is taking power back or “sticking to the man”. I think it’s lack of knowing the consequences and ideology thinking anything will change with the DNC. I really hope GOP crashes with soon so we can finally vote third party but I suspect That will never happen.
Ranked choice voting is spreading. That’s our shot at having more viable options.
I voted for Biden to stop fascism and now there’s a genocide happening with Biden’s full support.
Yeah this is the biggest complaint I keep seeing. It’s completely true, it’s also really really dangerous to not vote or vote third party because of that at this moment. I agree that it’s totally messed up but it’s still better than what will happen if trump gets elected.
I’m just hoping the people saying this will at least vote blue while also holding Biden accountable.
You can’t hold Biden accountable and also elect him President lol
Biden needs to reverse course on Israel or else he is going to lose. Does genocide Joe love killing Palestinian children more than he wants to stop Trump?
And how would that be any different with any of the last dozen presidents in power?
When was the last time the US didn’t back Israel while they’ve been shooting at the Palestinians?
This is so much worse.
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Democracy involved compromise, unless you just wanted to be defeated in detail in the political arena. You may wish that boomers and their views didn’t exist, but for as long as they do, they are a reality that needs to be faced.
If you just ignore them and push them towards the repub candidates, then it isn’t progressives that win, but republicans. Who can then do away with democracy at some point and secure their position despite dwindling demographics, in classic Realpolitik fashion.
Gramps may not get all the nuances of the modern world, I doubt any 80+ yr old does, regardless of how good their briefings are. But he does understand why moderates are important. And he’s good at diplomacy in general.
Yes the system sucks. This is not news to anyone already past their teenage years. It’s what we got though, and to reform it, you need progressive politicians, which will need moderates in order to win vs entrenched repubs. Reality is a bitch, and it doesn’t treat purity very well.
Hate to tell y’all this but there are large groups of Millennials that share the same views as the boomers everyone whines about.
The reason the Republicans have been in charge isn’t because of any large chunk of the populace supporting them, it is because a very significant chunk does not Vote.Well, that and gerrymandering…
gerrymandering is a means to manage those that Vote and moves the Electorate a tiny fraction which only works because so few Vote.
Hate to tell y’all this but there are large groups of Millennials that share the same views as the boomers everyone whines about.
Hate to tell you this, the party’s singular contempt for younger voters has caused them to look elsewhere.
enjoy coup2. I’m sure you’ll get along great with the Fascists being so pure and superior.
I’m describing the results of the party not taking younger voters seriously.
As always, you’re pulling the “everyone to my left is all the way to my right” shit that centrists pull whenever someone points out that their messaging is garbage.
Democracy involved compromise
When was the last time centrists compromised with anyone to their left? All I see is centrists collaborating with the right.
This right here. The DNC always fights hard against the left and when negotiating with the fascists, they start from a barely acceptable compromise (at best) and give tons of concessions from there.
And then demand praise from progressives for the “compromise” that is capitulation in all but name.
Absolutely. Their (DNC leadership) policy objectives might be a lot better (in theory, if not always in practice) than those of the fascists, but they’re lying corporately owned demagogues most of the time all the same.
Older generations have a role in it but let’s not forget one thing, a whole lot of people much younger than the boomer generation also support the right, the boomers present at the Capitol on January 6th 2021 were the politicians, not the terrorists. The 18-35 y.o. crowd is extremely politically divided, probably more than any of the previous generations currently living.
This is why we have to meet each other, not as public faces talking to audiences, but where people are, where they go to talk about these things when they’re in the mood. As people just like them, maybe even that know how they feel and can still listen. It’s not like their foundational complaints aren’t legitimate.
Places like right here. Or better yet, the structure of the Fediverse as a whole, in a more systemic way. But that’s long term goals, that won’t be ready in time.
We have a real outside enemy now, though. Few of em. They’ve just been pursuing a divide-and-conquer strategy on us, and even began to see results. There’s not a whole lot of counters to that strategy, it’s one of the most tested and effective in all of history. There’s a few though.
Democracy never involves compromise for the rich.
False. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
That is all the Media reported upon. Much like is happening today.Cool. What else is Biden running on?
A continuation of what he’s already done, here’s accomplishments from his third year in office only.
What Biden Has Done: Year Three
Got republicans to publicly take Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table
Reduced unemployment from 18 million when he took office, down to less than 2 million now
Banned Tik Tok on government sites
Vaccines for tetanus, whooping cough, and shingles (costing up to $200) are now free for seniors on Medicare
Requires utilities to remove perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl compounds (PFAS) from drinking water
Makes $450 million available for solar farms and other clean energy projects at current or former coal mines
732-mile high-voltage transmission line across the Western U.S. that will help transport renewable energy
Directs federal agencies to find ways to make child care cheaper and more accessible
IRS answered 2.4 million more taxpayer calls for assistance due to new funding
$197 million for 100 communities across our nation to invest in wildfire resilience
Safeguard mature and old-growth forests on federal lands, in a science-based approach to reduce wildfire risk
Strengthen reforestation partnerships to support local economies and retain forest ecosystems and sustainable supplies of forest products for years to come
Combat global deforestation to deliver on key COP26 commitments
Comprehensive efforts to deploy nature-based solutions that reduce emissions and build resilience
Added threat of detention and kidnapping to risk factors of travel warnings
Increased consequences to terrorists who engage in the practice of kidnapping
Rail companies grant paid sick days after administration pressure in win for unions
$4 billion effort to electrify U.S. ports and cut emissions
Average job creation almost double any recent president
To date has forgiven $42 billion of student loan debt to borrowers of public service
Record 10.5 million new business applications were filed in first two years of Biden administration
Invests $11 billion for renewable energy in rural areas
US is now building factories at a wildly fast rate
Construction spending by US manufacturers more than doubled from last year
Offered billions of dollars in subsidies in the electric vehicles, semiconductor, and solar panels industries
Added 800,000 jobs in manufacturing in last two years to compete with countries such as China
Got Ticketmaster and Seat Geek to dump junk fees
The Inflation Reduction Act will provide one million solar and wind jobs by 2035
Doubled previous all-time high of new manufacturing construction
Continues negotiations and gets paid sick days for rail workers
Executive order to guarantee women access to contraception - (more will need to be done to make it permanent)
Eliminates US stockpile of chemical weapons
Largest offshore wind project in the US
Round 10 of student loan cancellation: $39 billion for over 800,00 borrowers
Gets big tech commitments to voluntary follow AI guidelines (Including Google, Meta, Microsoft and Amazon)
Stock Market gains in 2023 are the best in decades
Creates Ancestral Footprints of the Grand Canyon National Monument - One million acres
Construction of manufacturing facilities in real terms (adjusted for inflation) has more than doubled since 2021
Launches “Saving on a Valuable Education” (SAVE): An income-driven repayment plan cutting borrowers’ payments in half, and some with no monthly bill
Creates bilateral collaboration helping Vietnam develop high tech in semiconductor production and artificial intelligence, countering Chinese efforts to do the same in the region
$800 Million to Strengthen Rural Infrastructure and Create Jobs
Round 11 of student debt forgiveness: 12,000 Wisconsinite Student Loans Forgiven
Siemens Kenosha factory to produce solar using tax incentives and will create a half million clean energy jobs
Suspends Trump-era authorization to ship natural gas by rail
Cancels oil and gas leases in Alaskan wildlife refuge that were allowed by Trump administration
Restores power of states and tribes to review projects to protect waterways
Creates 9-state offshore wind supply chain pact while funding $72m towards manufacturing
American Climate Corps launched
DOD to review DADT discharges
At-home COVID tests return
EPA announces $4.6B climate grants
TPS redesignated for Venezuela, protecting additional 450k migrants
$37M University of Phoenix debt forgiven
EO for East Palestine recovery
Prohibits Americans from investing in some Chinese companies
Directs Agencies to Account for Climate Change in Budgets
Creates new office of gun violence prevention
Commits $200 million to reintroduce salmon in Columbia River
$230 million for suicide prevention and behavioral are programs for at risk communities
Cuts funding to college programs leaving grads with unaffordable loans and/or low pay
All schools must provide prospective students with a framework outlining actual costs to get a degree and financial outcomes students can expect
Today’s announcement brings the total approved debt cancellation by the Biden-Harris Administration to $127 billion for nearly 3.6 million Americans.
Round 12 of student loan forgiveness of $5.2 billion bring total to $127 billion
Updated federal prevailing wage for first time in decades, raising wages by thousands of dollars
During very tense times, visits Israel and gets them allow humanitarian aid to Gaza
Creates the largest ever offshore windfarm of Virginia’s coast
Supports UAW strike resulting in a 30% increase of wages
October economics report shows stunning improvement
—34th consecutive month of job growth (150,000 jobs in October)
—Longest stretch of unemployment below 4% since the 1960s
—GDP surged this past quarter 5% (seasonally adjusted)
—Federal Reserve announces interest rates are holding steady
—Auto Strike over! Workers get substantial pay raises (30%)
Eliminates co-payments, enrollment fees and monthly premiums for WWII veterans
Climate Corps sees 42,000 sign-ups since inception
Establishes White House Initiative on Women’s Health Research
Reestablishes open and direct communication with China
Brokers deal with Israel & Hamas for release of hostages
Brokers deal to allow Humanitarian aid into Gaza
Child poverty rates fall from 12.6% to 5.8% due to Biden’s Expanded Child Tax Credits
2.9 million kids escape poverty
Another 813,000 people have their student loan debt wiped out
Supply chain backlogs are now at the lowest levels in 25 years.
Inflation is at the lowest rate since Biden took office early 2021
New small business applications continue at record rates: https://i.redd.it/ppmxb6z0bq3c1.png
Delivered largest economic recovery plan since Roosevelt
Delivered the largest infrastructure plan since Eisenhower
Confirmed the most judges since Kennedy
Delivered with Obama the second-largest healthcare bill since Johnson
- delivered the largest climate change bill in history
Holy fuck, that list is padded. Just at a glance, the post-strikebreaking concessions for rail workers are in there twice. It gives him credit for Obamacare. It credits him for 2.9 million kids escaping poverty, even though that program was canceled and those kids were plunged right back into poverty. It gives him credit for work the UAW did. Twice. There’s duplicate entries giving him credit for humanitarian aid for Gaza. It gives him credit for actions taken by the fed.
All the dishonesty in your Gish Gallop of a list casts doubt on any serious entries.
https://www.vox.com/politics/23697855/joe-biden-popularity-legislative-record
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/01/1143149435/despite-infighting-its-been-a-surprisingly-productive-2-years-for-democrats
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-2024-his-record-so-far-economy-immigration-civil-rights-2023-04-26/
https://www.recorder.com/my-turn-Grosky-Biden-s-Record-and-Accomplishments-52422040
and from their own lips.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/Your desperation to pretend an alternate reality is quite telling.
I pointed out how the list was dishonest.
Is criticism of Biden’s supporters also now an endorsement of Trump?
Anyone know who’s going on the libertarian ticket next year?
I know it will be an absolute moron
It’s actually just resignation to the fact that people are so uninterested in their children’s futures that they couldn’t be bothered to learn about a new candidate. I don’t think he’s wrong about it, sadly.
I’m going to go so far as to say Trump is the only person Biden can beat (but even that isn’t guaranteed if you look at current polling of likely voters). He is an supremely terrible candidate, like Clinton was, and people choose to ignore that at their own peril.
STFU. Biden’s is the best presidency for progressives in 50 years. Go ahead, name another who has been better for progressives. Shame on you for feeding the Trump narrative.
“the only person in the DNC capable of winning an election against fucking trump?!?”, yes, since he is the only one going to be the Democratic Candidate, he is the only one with any chance. Glad you worked it out on your own.
I mean it definitely couldn’t just be people don’t want massive changes and want a dude in the center keeping most of the status quo.
A centrist who has a long history of cooperation with politicians on both sides of the aisle is going to be a far more effective president than an ideologue who embodies the feelings of angry lemmy users.
Besides, realistically, big change for the country shouldn’t be coming from the top down starting from the president. It should start locally and move up. All of these people complaining that AOC or Bernie would be some sort of political Jesus who would revolutionize the US if only the corrupt, evil DNC would pick them are completely out of touch with reality.
Spoken like a true neolib technocrat.
Spoken like a troll who isn’t here for honest conversation.
Agreed. And it’s a shame it’s so hard in many locations to stay up to date with local politics.
Do I want to vote for biden? Fuck no.
Am I going to? Absolutely.
We have a 2 party problem in this country but 1 party country run by deranged republicans sounds like shit. Their supreme court has already stolen thousands of dollars from me with their shitty rulings. Not to mention the basic rights they’re continuing to strip from everyone
I just want to know what’s going on in the minds of these schizo liberals and moderates who plan to vote Trump because Biden isn’t left enough for them.
Like, I want a candidate further left than Biden too, but I’m not going to vote for the literal antithesis of a left-leaning American candidate. That just signals to the establishment that Biden wasn’t safe enough and next time they’ll put someone who is even more conservative as the nominee, and the Overton window shifts even further to the right.
Has everyone already forgotten what a shitty 4 years it was under Trump? He’s not an unknown variable anymore, we know exactly how bad a second term is going to be.
I expect some of it is astroturf like the that white republican guy who had a fake black guy alt and spent his time calling democrats racist. I think people underestimate the sheer amount of billionaire money the republican aparatus has and why its still going despite it being widely unpopular.
The other thing is Biden actually has made some good appointments but the corporate media doesn’t like them so they don’t, for instance, want to praise the NLRB appointments.
Can Trump just die already?
Only the good die young
Betty White had a dark past we never talk about.
I would vote for a literal russet potato over Donald Trump.
We got this guy Not Sure.
He’s got a higher IQ than every man alive.
He’s going to fix everything.
Over 300 million people in this country and these two are the best we can do? And I actually like Biden and think he has done a solid job.
It’s by design. We don’t want the disparity in wealth to shrink so we only elect people who exacerbate it.
I dislike JB. I despise Cheeto chimp. Friggin’ politics are infuriating.
Alright, I’ll say it. I like Joe. He’s low maintenance. He got things done (infrastructure). He’s fucking Putin in every which way he can. He’s talking to China. The gave money directly to the people instead of just to the corporations. I think that helped the economy of the general population better than it did than the great recession.
What dumb shit to say that’s going to be used against him.
Tell all the right wing diehards “if you hate Biden so much get Trump to drop out or vote for Haley in the primary”
Can I ask a stupid question? How is he running? I thought he was impeached, and I thought that meant he couldn’t run again?
He was never convicted in his impeachment trials.
While you are a sitting president, you cannot stand trial until the process of impeachment is complete. Impeachment just means the house of representatives thinks there’s enough evidence to have a full hearing in the Senate. Impeachment is not a trial and thus no official verdict can be made, only the Senate can do that.
There have been a few lawsuits citing that engaging in insurrection means he can’t be put on the ballot but so far all the courts have said that secretaries of state have to put him on the ballot if he wins the primary.
Not quite correct. The house of Representatives votes to send articles of impeachment to the Senate detailing the charges. This starts a trial. After all evidence has been presented the senate votes on whether to convict or acquit the president. The vote requires a supermajority (2/3) in order to convict. Three presidents have been impeached in the history of the USA. None have ever been convicted by the senate.
I agree on the not letting him win part.
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My concern is… what if Trump runs again when he’s 81? What if he wins? What if an 81 year old Trump is literally running the country?
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How ironic, he’s literally the only guy who can lose to Trump. Get another Democrat candidate.
I can think of a ton of democrats that would fare worse than him in a general election versus Trump. I know lemmy at large (and my own personal politics) don’t align with a more centrist Democrat but with first past the post voting targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
targeting the middle of the electorate is how you win.
Oh, is that how Trump won?
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton. Coincidentally, she’s one of the Democrats that would do worse than Biden in a general election against Trump
Trump won because the middle of the electorate largely hates Hillary Clinton.
Oh, really? Is that why Democrats been blaming progressives and only progressives for her loss ever since?
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them. I don’t like the fact that money is what drives politics but it’s where this country is at. Doesn’t change the fact that Hillary has a very high unfavorability rating, especially in swing states.
Also, you’re allowed to disagree with me without posing it as a leading question.
The party isn’t going to bad mouth a former First Lady that drives a huge amount of fundraising for them.
That doesn’t mean they have to blame progressives, but holy fuck do they love doing so.
Agreed. I think that speaks to how entrenched all this dark money is. I think repealing citizens United and implementing something like single transferable vote instead of first past the post would do a lot to fix American democracy and actually empower people over capital
And he’s also the only one who’s even remotely worth winning. Seeing as how all the good options aren’t even attempting a campaign. And even if they were, the DNC has basically already decided Biden will be the candidate.
P sure ya’ll said the same thing on 2020…
A wet flannel would have beaten Trump in 2020. It turned out a wet flannel did.
Biden’s presidency has been the best in 50 years for progressives. lol.
