• Cowbee [he/him]
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    It just happens that that was claimed to happen always, so you know, ban was only liften in 1989 as the article mentions lol. Funny how that happens.

    Looks like it was true! Millions of people died when the USSR was illegally dissolved afterwards, and the majority of living former-soviets say they prefered the Soviet System.

    Not even mentioning the lack of press freedom but Stalin famously purged a shitload of people on the basis of their political opinions. And voting in a strictly controlled single-party state, it does have the sound of a empty formality as the article had it.

    Liberalism and fascism were banned. Additionally, it is not at all an empty formality, unless you think every human being in a political party shares the exact same opinions, which is laughably false.

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      It’s always the case that authoritarian countries use a foreign threat as the reasoning for being so authoritarian. Tale as old as time.

      Liberalism and fascism were banned.

      So you think capitalist countries banning communist parties is all fine and dandy? Because that’s not terribly democratic if you ask me.

      Additionally, it is not at all an empty formality, unless you think every human being in a political party shares the exact same opinions, which is laughably false.

      It’s an empty formality when it’s a single party, loyalty to is is demanded and any real criticism can lead you to be fucking killed. Stalin did not take this shit lightly and lots of people died as a result.

      • Cowbee [he/him]
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        It’s always the case that authoritarian countries use a foreign threat as the reasoning for being so authoritarian. Tale as old as time.

        Indeed, Socialism has been deemed “authoritarian” by foreign countries.

        So you think capitalist countries banning communist parties is all fine and dandy? Because that’s not terribly democratic if you ask me.

        Of course not. The difference is that Capitalism and fascism are antidemocratic and get lots of innocents killed. You don’t have to defend fascism. It’s the paradox of tolerance.

        It’s an empty formality when it’s a single party, loyalty to is is demanded and any real criticism can lead you to be fucking killed. Stalin did not take this shit lightly and lots of people died as a result.

        This is ahisorical and silly. Even 2 people with the same views are different in numerous other ways, and there is an entire history of change and diverse viewpoints in the USSR.

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          Indeed, Socialism has been deemed “authoritarian” by foreign countries.

          I wonder why something like the Soviet Union under Stalin would be called authoritarian. It’s preposterous!

          Of course not. The difference is that Capitalism and fascism are antidemocratic and get lots of innocents killed. You don’t have to defend fascism. It’s the paradox of tolerance.

          It’s just that they banned every other party.

          This is ahisorical and silly. Even 2 people with the same views are different in numerous other ways, and there is an entire history of change and diverse viewpoints in the USSR.

          Not so much tolerance for those viewpoints under Stalin.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

          Weirdly even this site puts it very bluntly: https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/terror/index.htm

          Based on the link I would’ve expected something else, but they are pretty upfront about it. Interesting website.

          • Cowbee [he/him]
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            121 days ago

            I urge you to pick up a history book on the Soviet Union if you think Stalin made up the entire political apparatus. Even the CIA disagrees with you there, because it was obvious.

            • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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              Initially governing as part of a collective leadership, Stalin consolidated power to become dictator by the 1930s; he formalized his Leninist interpretation of Marxism as Marxism-Leninism, while the totalitarian political system he established became known as Stalinism.

              Stalin’s Soviet Union has been characterised as a totalitarian state,[673] with Stalin its authoritarian leader.[674] Various biographers have described him as a dictator,[675] an autocrat,[676] or accused him of practising Caesarism.[677] Montefiore argued that while Stalin initially ruled as part of a Communist Party oligarchy, the Soviet government transformed from this oligarchy into a personal dictatorship in 1934,[678] with Stalin only becoming “absolute dictator” between March and June 1937, when senior military and NKVD figures were eliminated.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

              I mean we talked if it was a totalitarian dictatorship or not. Sure does seem like it was.

              • Cowbee [he/him]
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                Can you explain mechanically how he was a totalitarian dictator, yet did not have totalitarian control nor was he the sole director?

                • @Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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                  But he does seem to have had a total control of the state through his position, control of tools such as NKVD, fear, intimidation, cult of personality, purging of opponents and so on. Unless you think it doesn’t count unless you have an official position of dictator and has been named as such by the Roman senate, of course.

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      Looks like it was true! Millions of people died when the USSR was illegally dissolved afterwards, and the majority of living former-soviets say they prefered the Soviet System.

      What a bunch of fucking nonsense, holy shit…

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          Ah yes, that’s why so many former soviet countries wanted and now have independence and prosperity.

          You fucking moron, soviets literally killed people by deporting to Siberia, quelling any sparks of independency, and starvation.

          USSR was a shithole, and what’s left of it is still a shithole.

          Kindly, a person who was born in the absolute ass-hair dingleberry that was the USSR.

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            Ah yes, that’s why so many former soviet countries wanted and now have independence and prosperity.

            Child sex slave stocks are through the roof!

          • prosperity

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            Nearly all of the post-Soviet states suffered deep and prolonged recessions after shock therapy, with poverty increasing more than tenfold. Catastrophic drops in caloric intake followed the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union#Consequences

            Kindly, a person who was born in the absolute ass-hair dingleberry that was the USSR.

            How old are you, if I may ask?

          • Cowbee [he/him]
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            Ah yes, that’s why so many former soviet countries wanted and now have independence and prosperity.

            Worse conditions = freedom and prosperity, lol.

            Do you dispute the records I gave you? Why would I listen purely to one person’s opinion, and not historical record and large-scale polling?

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              Do you not know how to read? I don’t understand.

              I told you I was borm in the USSR. I don’t need to listen to anyone. I have this information first hand. Jesus christ, I cannot talk to commies without losing braincells…

              The condintions are FUCKING GALAXIES better than the what was happening during illegal USSR occupation. And are currently FAR better than they currently are in terrorist russia.

              “polling” lmao. Just like polling in Crimea… Invade, occupy, poll…

              Edit: Also, eat shit.

              • Cowbee [he/him]
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                Show me polling that goes against the polling I provided. I refuse to trust a random internet stranger’s anecdote, especially when I have spoken with extremely pro-USSR former soviet citizens. Believe it or not, not everyone’s opinion is the same, hence the polling not being 100% in either direction.