• @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    -1420 days ago

    It started because a Lemmy.World ADMIN (allegedly carnist) decided to start removing comments about feeding a vegan diet to a cat.

    The comments in question were perfectly fine, they literally explained how pets and specifically cats need a few very important nutrients, which are specifically added to vegan pet food. The comments explained in depth about what nutrients they need and where those nutrients come from originally. The comments also warned that you need to be very careful about what you feed them and that you have to do your research, and have to examine the behavior and health of your pet if you decide to do this.

    Mister admin decided it was misinformation, even though it broke none of the Lemmy.World rules or /c/vegan rules. Nor was it even misinformation.

    The /c/vegan mods in turn banned the Admin from the community because it was obvious there was no objective basis to these removals. The admin in turn got themselves unbanned and banned the mods.

    So nuance you say?

    Vegans get an amazing amount of hate. And this hate is public and ACCEPTED.

      • @droans@lemmy.world
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        920 days ago

        Agreed.

        Humans can be vegan because we’re omnivores. Meat isn’t the only source we need to get our nutrition. Our bodies are fantastic at pulling nutrients from different food sources.

        Cats and dogs are not. They are carnivores. Their bodies cannot adequately process the nutrition from non-meat sources.

        Humans can also take supplements for whatever nutrients we’re missing. It’s much harder to get an animal to take them, especially when you’re looking at how many would be required on a vegan diet.

        Finally, ask any vet what foods to avoid and they will tell you that you don’t want to ever give your animal those small-batch/boutique foods. They are almost never nutritionally complete since they’re designed to appear appealing to the humans, not the animals. They also often aren’t produced in a clean food-safe environment.

        • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          -2520 days ago

          They can have a perfectly fine vegan diet.

          I think all of you need to: GET OVER IT.

          It’s just that simple.

          • @zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
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            1320 days ago

            I mean you’re the one coming into a thread in a different community getting snarky with multiple different people who are all being pretty level headed so

      • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        -3020 days ago

        Aww buddy. You lil’ hypocrite. Who’s a little boy that pays people to have animals killed? You are, yes you are! Awww!

        What was that about me caring for a cat again?

          • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            -1520 days ago

            It even comes packaged, with a price on it… And you choose “yes i want murder” when you put it in your little basket…

            • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              120 days ago

              your version of the story leaves out some important facts like it doesn’t matter whether you put it in your cart because it’s already dead, and the person who killed it was already paid by somebody who wasn’t you.

              • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                -1220 days ago

                That’s a very basic and low IQ comment. I suggest you look up how economics work. Just because it’s there doesn’t mean that your money doesn’t pay for the next. That’s how it always works. If nobody wants some animal killing then they won’t be killed. Pretty simple.

                • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  120 days ago

                  That’s a very basic and low IQ comment. I suggest you look up how economics work.

                  this is handwaving, not evidence for your position

                  • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    -420 days ago

                    Then don’t use that stupid argument.

                    You think iPhones are “already made” and it won’t make Apple a big company if you buy one?

                • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  020 days ago

                  If nobody wants some animal killing

                  do you have a plan to achieve this? I’ll help. let me know when I’m the last one.

    • @stoicmaverick@lemmy.world
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      520 days ago

      I really don’t think it’s hate, in the classic sense. I think most of it is sort of a hamarotic response that’s made possible by the fact that these forums show up in everybody’s feed, and given that vegans typically have negative views on the eating practices of the rest of the world, can be seen referring to those people as they do in private. As you seem to be insinuating, it feels-bad-man to have your lifestyle casually attacked, and nearly always elicits retaliation because humans.

      I feel like a lot of it is a matter of terminology. For instance, using the word “omnivore” instead of “carnist”, or “Bovine Matchmaker”, instead of “Animal Rapist”.

      • @Emerald@lemmy.world
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        -620 days ago

        “Bovine Matchmaker”, instead of “Animal Rapist”.

        We shouldn’t tone down our language because others might be offended by it. “Bovine matchmaker” just isn’t the reality of what artificial insemination is.

      • @x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        -1320 days ago

        It’s hate.

        They are projecting their ignorance of their own molested values and morals.

        People hate it when you get real, and veganism is the realest it can get. “Live and let live”

        • @stoicmaverick@lemmy.world
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          620 days ago

          I’m going to skip a LOT of the trope level arguments here. How about this:

          Do you believe that lions in captivity (whatever your feelings about lions in captivity are), should be fed a vegan diet?

    • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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      420 days ago

      The /c/vegan mods in turn banned the Admin from the community because it was obvious there was no objective basis to these removals. The admin in turn got themselves unbanned and banned the mods.

      What else did they expect?