• Ember Ushi
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    11111 months ago

    Your bank will certainly implement this

    My brother in Christ, it was 2020 before my bank supported passwords longer than 8 characters. We have 30 or 40 years before we need to worry about the banks.

    • @vaultdweler13@lemmy.world
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      3411 months ago

      Some banks are still running windows 98 internally, admitedly so long as said system isnt connected to the internet it should be fine.

      • @erogenouswarzone@lemmy.ml
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        1111 months ago

        Lol, not to mention Cobalt and other horrors that are lurking in Legacy systems no one has looked at in 50 years.

        I’m thinking mainframe terminals, where the character has to be in the right place on the screen in order to store something in RAM.

        Even worse, how many systems are still using punch cards? How often do those cards need to be replaced?

        • Fushuan [he/him]
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          1211 months ago

          I sincerely hope that your local ATM never crashes and you never have to see the windows xp logo.

        • Catweazle
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          111 months ago

          @xavier666 @vaultdweler13, it’s true, For internal use with PCs connected to the central server itself and not to the network, it is used for compatibility with corporate software, sometimes still very old Windows. This, when using it on the one hand only in a specialized way and on the other hand only locally, is more than enough. The same in factories in production for the automation of some valve or machinery with repetitive processes, a super-pc with a NASA OS is not needed.

          • @xavier666@lemm.ee
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            111 months ago

            For PCs at workshop, I can understand Win98. The OS is just a bootloader to a single application. But for banking, it’s a terrible security hazard.

            • Catweazle
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              211 months ago

              @xavier666, only if it is used in subsidiaries where they have to manage money movements over the network, but not in local administrative applications where it is irrelevant, as in all purely local uses. In monoapplications in this area, even an old MsDOS will be worth it.
              They have traveled to the Moon with an SO from a Tamagochi.

    • @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi
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      1011 months ago

      Have you ever rooted an android phone?

      The google SafteyNet Attestation is the precursor to browser DRM. It’s essentially phone DRM.

      There are many banks that have apps that require you to pass at least the basic level attestation, if not the CTS profile matching that fails the moment you modify any system level resources, even the bootloader

      luckily you can force disable CTS so it falls back on the basic level, for most apps at least. You will never have access to Google or Samsung pay though, as it actually knows your phone model should support CTS and will autofail if it no longer reports that it does.

      Alongside that apps like Pokemon GO and Netflix also require at least basic attestation to function - demonstrating the DRM and anticheat capabilities of such a system.

        • @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi
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          111 months ago

          Nah, I’m still running a stock ROM on a pixel 3a. Looking at this guide, it looks like this tool is dead. So unless it works on android 12, I can’t use it.

          Enabling strict denylist actually causes my phone to break, it will randomly cause my phone to freeze up, and fail to load on phone unlock to the point I have to go into safe boot to disable my Magisk modules, only then will it boot correctly. - maybe I’m denying the wrong system apps for strict mode to work. I have still added apps to the denylist, however.

          Im currently using universal Safetynet Fix to pass basic Attestation, and the only thing that fails to work is google wallets “tap to pay” feature. Which doesn’t matter as my NFC reader is broken in any case.

          • @CumBroth@discuss.tchncs.de
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            11 months ago

            Oh, I didn’t notice it’s dead. I just had it bookmarked because I remember spending a lot of time trying all sorts of workarounds before it and none of them ever worked (for CTS).

            I used this for Android 11; there’s a good chance it’ll still work for that version. But like I said, I ended up not needing it anyway - my phone doesn’t even have NFC! I think I mostly just did it as a FU to Google rather than for actual utility. :D

            Just thought it worth mentioning that there are/were workarounds for CTS. Don’t know how things are now on Android 12 and 13.

      • nudny ekscentryk
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        311 months ago

        I find it funny how the most root-resistant app I’ve ever encountered is McDonald’s coupons app. I can trick Google Pay into working on my rooted phone, I tricked Revolut and two national banks. Heck, even my government-issued digital ID was tricky but I eventually got it working despite root and unlocked bootloader, both of which it didn’t like. But McDonald’s? None of the workarounds work whatsoever .

        • I’m rooted and on LOS and can use any app I need (including banking apps, paypal, and netflix - i don’t use samsung/google pay). The only app i can’t get to work is one stupid food delivery app. It’s weird af.

    • JustEnoughDucks
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      Yes, US banks.

      Banks in europe are much more up to date with tech.

      They have APIs to sink transactions with external providers like nordigen API.

      They have 2FA that is linked to your national identity card which is chipped

      Nationally used apps that are universal 2FA linked to national IDs that banks, medical, and government services all tap into

      Everything is contactless payment nowadays, the US just recently started contactless cards

      Inter-bank transfers without external apps like venmo

      There are MANY problems with EU people getting their banks to work on a rooted phone.

      They will absolutely implement DRM if someone sells the bullshit to them under the illusion of “safety.”

      Hell, the US had handwritten “vaccine cards” for covid while European nations even had open source user spinoffs on nationally funded apps linked to national IDs to manage COVID vaccination and testing passes.