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Some day the other shoe is going to drop and we’re going to have to continue sharing a country with these people. There is a reason this ideology has spread, and wishing harm on them does less than nothing to change that. You clearly have a strong sense of justice and love in your heart. Why is it a good use of time to wish harm on others?
Because no amount of love from me is going to make the same difference for good in the world that them being gone forever would. The only way I will ever go back to the way things were before is when their hearts are broken, their beliefs are shattered and they remain as husks like Wilson in 1984. Forced to live in the hellscape of checks notes equality, liberty and justice for all. I don’t know why everybody has just accepted living with the disease that is these people. It doesn’t have to be this way. There can be a light at the end of the tunnel and the republicans themselves are ironically showing us the way there.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, from my perspective continuing to tolerate their existence when they do great harm without provocation makes someone else a worse person. Though I suppose saying I wish harm is just petty revenge. I’d be even happier if they were removed forever.
Why is it wrong to wish harm on those who wish it upon myself and others? Why is hatred a tool we only allow them to use? They deserve to know exactly how reviled they are and many of them need consequences enforced if they will ever learn or break. No official force has the courage to enforce such justice on them so I take it where I can get it.
The exact same logic they apply to us, the exact same mental processes that make you dehumanize them in your mind. These things are poison for your mental wellbeing, and serve as a distraction from the real enemies: the ruling class. You will never have a working class movement to rise up against the power of the ruling class and capital with this mindset. This type of thinking is one of the obstacles we must overcome if we are ever going to achieve things like a general strike. But you don’t care about that. You want catharsis, schadenfreude, and to take joy in others’ suffering. For what? What purpose does it serve? You’re not speaking to these people. You’re just shitposting on the internet, spreading rhetoric that keeps the working class divided against one another. When you get a chance to talk to these folks, you should absolutely tear into them for their choices, make them face the impact of what they do, and don’t allow them to be comfortable in their ignorance. But this? Posting online about how you like the idea of people being subjected to carcinogens because they “deserve” it? You realize the neighborhoods impacted by this are primarily black, right? You think they deserve this? Are you for real? Log off and join a protest, attend union meetings, something but whatever this is? Think critically about what you’re doing and saying. Your words have power. Most of the people on this forum are left-leaning working class people. Hate makes us weak.
Using the same logic is the point. The goal is dehumanization and then destruction. Make no mistake, the ruling class are included on my list of inhuman trash. Nobody was happier than me when Luigi allegedly did what he did other than hopefully himself. My question for you is why do you assume hatred makes us weak? The most successful political movement for radical change in modern history isn’t motivated by ideology because by and large most people don’t care about things as nebulous as morality and ideology. It’s motivated by anger, by hatred, its galvanized people enough to risk life and limb to raid the capital building on a vague promise, for people to vote against their self interest, to make the hard decision to put their beliefs over personal comfort. United queers, women, nazis, Jews, supremacists, poor and rich alike. Martin Luther King only became palatable because people feared others like Malcolm X and workers rights were only paid for in blood.
You say hatred is our weakness but I think that’s it is one of our great strengths, and we’re tying an arm behind our back in this fight if we refuse to use it. Love is a necessity, a strength but it’s not our only strength, we need to tap into anger, to foster it in order to build a movement that can last and to temper it with love.
As for posting online sure it doesn’t do much, but reading posts online was formative to developing my world views. The right has used internet discourse expertly to brainwash and reach people on a massive scale that in person organizing can’t quite reach. We need to be radicalizing people and finding new and creative ways to do it. So my hope is that somebody is out there feeling helpless, hurt and exhausted because they’ve been trying to love and educate and be strong and that this can help them realize there are other ways to fight back. To foster extremism so that we can push the Overton window back to where the other extremists are afraid to express their opinions in public again because they don’t know what crazy leftist might be listening.
Don’t assume I’m not going to protests even the pathetically ineffective postcard writing ones in my area. But we don’t have unions here, I fielded the idea at my work and was met with laughter and dismissal there’s no appetite for political change here, the only thing that does speak to people here is anger. So I speak the language because civility and reason aren’t the tools for this job. Trust me I’m not just posting online.
All that said, thank you for engaging me. I can see neither of our opinions are likely to change too much and that’s okay. I know who my enemies are and it’s not you so I won’t spend any more time arguing with you. I also don’t expect you to join my crusade but all I’ll ask is that you consider not being so quick to condemn hatred on our side. Try to temper it and challenge us on it sure but don’t blindly condemn us for being weak or ignorant. We should both save our energy for dismantling the ideas of the other side.
We’re both fighting the class war in our own way and i’m fairly certain we both want the same thing long term. Even if we disagree on whether the suffering of our enemy is a victory for us or not. Keep up the good fight in your way Comrade Sneptaur and I’ll keep it up in mine.
How exactly do you imagine that shoe is going to drop? It isn’t going to drop itself, fascists will not relinquish power voluntarily. You seem to be either completely delusional about the severity of the current situation, or a disingenous liar.
Some day the other shoe is going to drop and we’re going to have to continue sharing a country with these people. There is a reason this ideology has spread, and wishing harm on them does less than nothing to change that. You clearly have a strong sense of justice and love in your heart. Why is it a good use of time to wish harm on others?
Because no amount of love from me is going to make the same difference for good in the world that them being gone forever would. The only way I will ever go back to the way things were before is when their hearts are broken, their beliefs are shattered and they remain as husks like Wilson in 1984. Forced to live in the hellscape of checks notes equality, liberty and justice for all. I don’t know why everybody has just accepted living with the disease that is these people. It doesn’t have to be this way. There can be a light at the end of the tunnel and the republicans themselves are ironically showing us the way there.
Wishing harm on them does less than nothing to help the situation we’re in. It only makes you a worse person.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, from my perspective continuing to tolerate their existence when they do great harm without provocation makes someone else a worse person. Though I suppose saying I wish harm is just petty revenge. I’d be even happier if they were removed forever.
Don’t tolerate hate, obviously. Just be above wishing harm on people.
Why is it wrong to wish harm on those who wish it upon myself and others? Why is hatred a tool we only allow them to use? They deserve to know exactly how reviled they are and many of them need consequences enforced if they will ever learn or break. No official force has the courage to enforce such justice on them so I take it where I can get it.
The exact same logic they apply to us, the exact same mental processes that make you dehumanize them in your mind. These things are poison for your mental wellbeing, and serve as a distraction from the real enemies: the ruling class. You will never have a working class movement to rise up against the power of the ruling class and capital with this mindset. This type of thinking is one of the obstacles we must overcome if we are ever going to achieve things like a general strike. But you don’t care about that. You want catharsis, schadenfreude, and to take joy in others’ suffering. For what? What purpose does it serve? You’re not speaking to these people. You’re just shitposting on the internet, spreading rhetoric that keeps the working class divided against one another. When you get a chance to talk to these folks, you should absolutely tear into them for their choices, make them face the impact of what they do, and don’t allow them to be comfortable in their ignorance. But this? Posting online about how you like the idea of people being subjected to carcinogens because they “deserve” it? You realize the neighborhoods impacted by this are primarily black, right? You think they deserve this? Are you for real? Log off and join a protest, attend union meetings, something but whatever this is? Think critically about what you’re doing and saying. Your words have power. Most of the people on this forum are left-leaning working class people. Hate makes us weak.
Using the same logic is the point. The goal is dehumanization and then destruction. Make no mistake, the ruling class are included on my list of inhuman trash. Nobody was happier than me when Luigi allegedly did what he did other than hopefully himself. My question for you is why do you assume hatred makes us weak? The most successful political movement for radical change in modern history isn’t motivated by ideology because by and large most people don’t care about things as nebulous as morality and ideology. It’s motivated by anger, by hatred, its galvanized people enough to risk life and limb to raid the capital building on a vague promise, for people to vote against their self interest, to make the hard decision to put their beliefs over personal comfort. United queers, women, nazis, Jews, supremacists, poor and rich alike. Martin Luther King only became palatable because people feared others like Malcolm X and workers rights were only paid for in blood.
You say hatred is our weakness but I think that’s it is one of our great strengths, and we’re tying an arm behind our back in this fight if we refuse to use it. Love is a necessity, a strength but it’s not our only strength, we need to tap into anger, to foster it in order to build a movement that can last and to temper it with love.
As for posting online sure it doesn’t do much, but reading posts online was formative to developing my world views. The right has used internet discourse expertly to brainwash and reach people on a massive scale that in person organizing can’t quite reach. We need to be radicalizing people and finding new and creative ways to do it. So my hope is that somebody is out there feeling helpless, hurt and exhausted because they’ve been trying to love and educate and be strong and that this can help them realize there are other ways to fight back. To foster extremism so that we can push the Overton window back to where the other extremists are afraid to express their opinions in public again because they don’t know what crazy leftist might be listening.
Don’t assume I’m not going to protests even the pathetically ineffective postcard writing ones in my area. But we don’t have unions here, I fielded the idea at my work and was met with laughter and dismissal there’s no appetite for political change here, the only thing that does speak to people here is anger. So I speak the language because civility and reason aren’t the tools for this job. Trust me I’m not just posting online.
All that said, thank you for engaging me. I can see neither of our opinions are likely to change too much and that’s okay. I know who my enemies are and it’s not you so I won’t spend any more time arguing with you. I also don’t expect you to join my crusade but all I’ll ask is that you consider not being so quick to condemn hatred on our side. Try to temper it and challenge us on it sure but don’t blindly condemn us for being weak or ignorant. We should both save our energy for dismantling the ideas of the other side.
We’re both fighting the class war in our own way and i’m fairly certain we both want the same thing long term. Even if we disagree on whether the suffering of our enemy is a victory for us or not. Keep up the good fight in your way Comrade Sneptaur and I’ll keep it up in mine.
How exactly do you imagine that shoe is going to drop? It isn’t going to drop itself, fascists will not relinquish power voluntarily. You seem to be either completely delusional about the severity of the current situation, or a disingenous liar.
You have nothing good to say left, obviously, because you’re just attacking my character instead of my point. This conversation is over.