Heya, with recent news of beehaw.org defederating from a few instances, I noticed that we also recently defederated from sh.itjust.works. I’m not in-tune with whether they deserve it or not, but I have noticed that it does have some impacts on our users.

I happened to see this post from a fellow furry, expressing frustration with picking the ‘wrong’ server. They can also no longer see pawb.social posts/communities.

I also recently posted my little heart script over there because they had a general scripts community, and I’ve only just noticed that the edits/updates I’ve been doing on that post are not actually going anywhere - it’s similar to being shadowbanned. The pawb.social version of that post gets updated as normal, but we never sync that version to their server (and subsequently no other server ever gets the updated version). This makes sense now that I know we’re defederated, but nowhere in the UI does it indicate that I’m just shouting into the void. As a side effect, I’m no longer able to keep tabs on that scripting community for tool updates.

I suspect that this is a big problem right now because people are migrating and joining servers at random, and they don’t know that the server they’re joining has bad admins. Communities are rapidly getting created, growing, then getting shadowbanned by half the lemmyverse.

I’m not petitioning for anything to change at pawb.social at the moment, and I’m sure that there were good reasons to defederate sh.itjust.works, but it does make me a bit wary that eventually I too might feel like I picked the ‘wrong’ server if a defederation culture becomes common in the lemmyverse. It’s not something I thought I had to think about when making an account. I really doubt anyone reputable will ever defederate us, so it’s really just a matter of who we choose to defederate.

Thoughts?

  • @awoooEnglish
    6•1 year ago

    Yeah, the problem feels worse than Mastodon, and I think it may come down to there being no limit feature. You can’t just hide thIngs from the instance without cutting off communities.

    Lemmy’s mod tools need to improve and have more granular options for dealing with instances, communities and spam (same with mastodon tbh!).

    I kinda like what Pixelfed is doing there, they got tired of the spam bots coming from mastodon.social and decided to build their own spam classifier, similar to how it’s done with email.

    • LockelyEnglish
      15•1 year ago

      Yeah, I agree, though it’s worth keeping in mind that we’re still in ver 0.17 of Lemmy, and up until Reddit decided to shoot itself in the foot (and keep shooting), the desire for something like this was on a very niche basis. Lemmy’s github activity has since skyrocketed as folks are now interested in restoring what they had on reddit and making the overall place better.

      We’re all on the ground floor of something great. Well, not even ground floor, we’re still building the foundation. This’ll all get worked out, in one fork or another.