A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

  • @Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
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    As a liberal gun owner, I agree.

    I want a world without mass shootings.

    But right now, the majority of mass shootings happen against the most vulnerable people. And the majority of hate crimes is happening because a bunch of fucktards are pushing violent messages. And the worst part is nobody in power really gives a shit.

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      When I was growing up in school there was only one mass shooting at the time and that was Columbine. Kids would drive to school with guns in their racks because they planned on hunting later. The notion to shoot people wasn’t even a consideration. What we have isn’t a gun issue, we have a mental health crisis like nothing we have seen before and we are far too unequipped to handle it. We need better mental health programs and ways for people to more easily use them from a young age.

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        1610 months ago

        The Columbine shooters did not use hunting guns. We have better access to mental health care than in the past. We also have greater access to more deadly guns. Countries with strong gun control do not have our problem with mass shootings. Implementing strong gun control has been proven to stop mass shootings. A lot of money has been spent by arms dealers to convince you the the problem is your fellow humans, and not the largely unregulated flow of machines of death supplied for capitalist profit.

        Should we have better access to mental healthcare, and intervention programs? Sure. Funny, though, how the people insisting it’s all about mental illness and not about the gun profiteers also usually oppose any public spending on mental healthcare as well.

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          I mean the problem is my fellow human. AI hasn’t picked up a gun and shot up a school as far as I know.

          I am for more efforts to provide mental health care for low income people’s and it should be free.

          There are attempts at brain washing on both sides depending on the agenda.

          I can agree that military style fire arms do not need to be in the hands of ordinary civilians that haven’t undergone training in weapon safety. I believe it should be required to have yearly training on weapon safety for all fire arms.

          • @masquenox@lemmy.world
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            210 months ago

            There are attempts at brain washing on both sides depending on the agenda.

            Such as? Where is this (supposed) “leftist” brain-washing machine supposed to be at?

            • SirStumps
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              It often pops up in opinion pieces or news articles just like any other propaganda mean to influence your opinions.

          • @kaffiene@lemmy.world
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            110 months ago

            Pretty much the entire rest of the world thinks that the US gun lobby is batshit insane. Have real been brainwashed?

            • SirStumps
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              The rest of the world can do whatever they want.

              “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” -Benjamin Franklin

              • @kaffiene@lemmy.world
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                210 months ago

                Your glib response and cute little quote doesn’t actually answer the question I asked. Possibly because you don’t have a good answer

      • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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        1510 months ago

        we have a gun issue and a mental health issue.

        There are a LOT of people in America that own, or have easy access to fire arms, that shouldnt be allowed within 2 miles of one.

      • @Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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        This is an inadequate summation I am afraid. Most of the world right now is experiencing a mental health crisis. A lot of the countries with similar populations and cultures to the US with primarily English speaking approximations - Australia, UK, Canada and the nordic nations… All of them are experiencing massive mental health and economic issues on a systemic level. There is something unique to the United States… The guns. Not just the lack of public safety measures to control guns but the culture of entitlement to weaponry and maintaining the fantasy of utilizing them against other humans in some sort of nebulous future extralegal event when some sort of universal concensus is reached that war is declared on the US government by it’s rag tag highly individualist citizenry.

        Unfortunately you cannot divorce the mental health issue from the gun issue in the States but neither can you solve the issue without actually addressing that guns at that level of saturation are a nightmare that causes a unique presentation of crisis. Calling for it to be addressed strictly as a mental health issue will go no where… And it’s designed to go no where because as long as we are having this debate of whether it’s a gun or a mental health problem neither get addressed… And quite frankly there are simply not enough mental health professionals in the field to address that demand. The burnout rate is real amongst professionals.

        There were also mass school shootings before Columbine. The Ecole’ Polytechnique massacre for instance in Canada had 22 victims in 1989 and was committed with a semi automatic weapon and it spurred a massive surge in gun regulation and restrictions for automatic weapons and maximum clip size capacity. The US is unique in that it is the only country to experience these mass shootings and yet refuse any wide ranging gun control reforms at a federal level in response.

        The problem also spills over borders. 85 percent of weapons found to be used to commit crimes in Canada have been traced to purchases made in the US.

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        I actually agree with what you are saying, but I don’t believe it’s so black and white. I also believe the media realized the profits in outrage and terror so that’s why we are constantly hammered with it… which is likely a contributing factor in mental health issues of the country/world.

        Columbine was one of the biggest ones ever at the time and a media field day, but definitely not the only school shootings around that time.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(before_2000)

        • SirStumps
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          It was the only one I was aware of so I do apologize for my ignorance. I appreciate your candor in the conversation at hand.

          The media is a for profit organization that feeds on misinformation, half truths, lies, or propaganda. Reagan did the country a disservice removing the the Fairness Doctrine.

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            I’d say most of the issues of modern US stem from Reagan era decision making. The us-vs-them mentality took a wild turn from there forward.

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          Mass killings don’t only happen in the US. The middle east they use bombs, missiles, and guns. If someone wants to accomplish something they will find a means. Guns are just a tool like any other thing. You can harm just as many people with a nail gun, a knife, a bomb, acid, or fire. Anything can be a weapon in the wrong hands.

          I do believe there are definitely people who shouldn’t have a gun but they are typically mentally unstable.

          As for assault rifles. I believe that only prior military should be able to poses them since they more than likely have had extensive safety training.

          Edit: I also believe that instead of glorifying mass shootings we should mock and demean the person. Too many people have it in their head that they will go down in history for such and act.

          • @kaffiene@lemmy.world
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            110 months ago

            Sure. Mass killings occur everywhere but no where with the frequency that they do in the US. Middle east bombs is a terrible comparison though,. Those are acts of war not individuals picking up weapons and going on a rampage. No less awful for that, but not the topic under discussion. You didn’t answer my question. Mental health issues are everywhere in the world. Only the US is racking up mass shootings quicker than days of the year. If it were just mental health, why doesn’t the rest of the world show the same effects?