• diprount_tomato
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    You mean capitalist cooperatives? They exist and even Milei wants to turn Aerolíneas Argentinas into one

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      Co-ops and unions are certainly steps in the right direction, but they’re more like temporary band-aids over Capitalism instead of implementing proper Socialism.

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          How so? Cuba has one of the most open democracies in the world. Plus free healthcare, no homelessness, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic.

          All while the world’s current top superpower is right beside them, sees them as an enemy, and has a still ongoing embargo on them for 60 years now to prevent them from trading with other countries. That’ll hopefully change once China’s Belt and Road Initiative is complete though.

          Clearly this model works. It does require expelling landleeches, plantation owners and billionaires if they don’t hand over the means of production to the workers (like Cuba did after the revolution), but I don’t think most people would mind that.

          It also historically requires fighting off the US though because military, oil, and other private corporation owners can’t exploit Socialist countries as much, which is harder.

            • @Arelin@lemmy.zip
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              I can’t think of anything to refute your comment

              So you understand my point. Thanks lol

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                No, it’s just pointless to argue with someone so out of touch with reality he believes Cuba is one of the most democratic countries

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                  It is though? People directly nominate individuals in their area, and the ballots are checked in public where anyone can attend.

                  This results in a Parliament that evenly and properly represents the entire population. That’s why Cuba has an unusually high percentage of women in the government, 53.22% now (U.S has 29.0%), and better LGBT rights than the U.S. nowadays.

                  The power of a proper democracy.

                  Being rich as an advantage is also taken away by banning advertising yourself/anyone. You need social connections with the people in your area (Socialism) instead.

                  Not knowing something is fine, but being ignorant and arrogant about it is unfortunate. Though I suppose it is unbelievable, if you’re in a Capitalist country, to hear that a nation has solved homelessness, starvation, and education by just changing its political/economic system (and fighting off the US after).

                  Imagine its sheer potential once it can trade with other countries with that massive advantage, after the US is eventually forced to stop the embargo.

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            “This theory when applied didn’t end like in the book, therefore it’s not really that theory”

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              Communism without actually sharing isn’t communism. Democracy without fair elections isn’t democracy. Socialism without the socialisation of the benefit of production is not socialism. Your ignorance of these things doesn’t change what they are.

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                Again, the “the theory when applied doesn’t look like in the book so it’s not real communism”

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                  No. The theory when applied doesn’t follow the book. The difference is something called contextual nuance, and you have no grasp of it.

                  Your position is like North Korea claiming democracy doesn’t work because they say they are one and it’s not working.

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                    No, it’s not a democracy because it doesn’t even bother following actual democratic principles. It’s just like Napoleon’s idea of democracy: I am the people, therefore if I have absolute power I’m being democratic.

                    Basically Cuba on steroids

                    I copy-pasted my answer because you copy-pasted your comment

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                  North Korea calls itself democratic. Everyone in the country votes for a new leader every five years. It’s just that there’s only one name on the ballot.

                  One would be foolhardy to call that democracy.

                  One would be even more foolhardy to argue that this means that democracy is a stupid idea.

                  Likewise with socialism.

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      That’s an oxymoron. There is literally no such thing as a capitalist cooperative. By definition, co-ops are socialist. Also, the right wing populist wants to socialize the airlines?

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        Yes, he does want to give the airlines to the workers

        Also touch some fucking grass to see how agricultural cooperatives work under capitalism