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Christian Science does not agree with the theory that morals grow out of people’s behavior. It stands firmly on the ground that morals for mankind are derived from the divine Mind, God, and that they are therefore ageless. Morally right behavior pertaining to sex was revealed by Moses.

  • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Lmao, your ignorance about this subject shows immediately.

    Padre Pio was considered a scammer by the Catholic church itself and was also found to be a fraud when visited by the doctors sent by the pope to determine if the scars he showed to his followers were of divine origin. When analysed the doctors found that they were most likely self inflicted wounds (there’s also the testimony of a pharmacist who sold this con man some carbolic acid) and that he was putting forward a show for his followers, so much so that he was denied the right to celebrate mass for his schemes. It was John Paul the 2nd who canonized him in 2002 because he realized that if he wanted the support of the gullible people in southern Italy he would have needed to give them something in return; and so he did, by making him a saint against the better judgment of Benedict the 15th and of Pio the 11th, the popes who lived during his times and who barred him from celebrating mass.

    I’d love to give you some references to educate you but unfortunately most of the material is in Italian language and your ignorance prevents you from accessing it.

    Padre Pio did not invent the microscope but he was able to create a cult worshipping his image in lieu of god, a sin which should be very grave according to the Christian faith tenets

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      No. You are a story teller. Your source is mainly calumny.
      Anybody can do that to Jesus, Francis of Assisi, Padre Pio. In fact, stigmas of Christ is not something new in the Church.
      When something miraculous begins, it has to be investigated.
      According to my source, people wanted him out of the way.
      According to my source, there was no carbolic acid mentioned.
      According to my source, doctors examined with wonders (lots of blood loss).

      He lived in a monastery. You don’t need a doctor to declare it was a fraud if it was really a fraud.
      Perhaps the whole monastery was involved?
      Pope Pius 11 had no letter against Padre Pio.
      Your story is full of interpolations and holes.
      And I see your trust in the ‘popes’ here.

      Catholics don’t worship images. (Your ignorance again).
      Padre Pio lived through the 1st and 2nd world war, and he fought modernism tooth and nail.
      Please give me your Italian reference (even a child could read Italian these days).
      Make sure it is Catholic (that is what you claimed) (or don’t worry, I will accept any link).

      • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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        56 months ago

        https://it.cathopedia.org/wiki/San_Pio_da_Pietrelcina

        Is cathopedia catholic enough for you?

        You are as ignorant as adamant in your ignorance so I don’t think this will make any difference for your bigoted mindset but still it’s funny to see you squirm while trying to justify your position.

        I used the popes version of the story just because they should be considered the highest authority by people like you. If they did decide something that should be the law for all Catholics or are you suggesting you have more authority than the popes who lived during padre Pio’s time?

        Catholics do worship images, have you ever heard of so called “holy cards”? Italy is full of it and in Pietrelcina there’s a very profitable business running around them.

        When something miraculous begins, it has to be investigated.

        Three lines under this statement

        He lived in a monastery. You don’t need a doctor to declare it was a fraud if it was really a fraud.

        You really can’t make any sense, do you?

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          Even though I made repetitions? Too bad.
          So what was I wrong about…
          You don’t believe the article you sent me.
          You only believe his prohibition (not condemnation) and not the reversion of the prohibition.
          Don’t forget calumny was flying… (Time to pray).

          Even St. Joseph of Cupertino had a similar condemnation and reversion story.
          Like the link stated, he had many enemies who wanted him out of the way. He was misreported to Pius 11 probably.

          Even St. Bernadette, they had the Grotto barred at first.

          Many people in the course of History have been laid greater allegations, but at the end, the dark cloud normally clears.

          And can you show me a link also where Catholics say they worship images?

          • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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            46 months ago

            https://www.amazon.it/artigianale-ricevi-SANTINI-RELIGIOSI-PREGHIERA/dp/B07DBNXTP2

            Just 12 euros for a set of “santini” with dedicated prayers on the back! Hurry up, stock is low and gullible people are abound!

            He refused to be visited by a doctor designated by the sant’Uffizio because he knew he would have been found a con. He was reinstated by people living well beyond his time and unable to corroborate or contradict his statements so it bear no weight in defining whether his wounds were of divine origin or not.

            When exumed from his tomb his body presented the normal state of decay a cadaver should be at after 40 years.

            He was a con man who had the luck to be born when the catholic church needed a con man to recover a bit of the influence it was losing due to people better education and he was used by the church itself exactly for this scope.

            The same goes for the three poor children who were taken advantage of by the church with their story about Mary appearance. So far all the profecies related to their tale have been proven unfounded, will there ever be a time when Christians will wake up from their fever dreams and start acting as normal humans in social environments? Only time will tell

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              You mean the Dancing Sun of Fatima?
              We, just like in the old Testament, we also have prophets. Most prophecies were about the great apostasy.
              You are full of half-baked stories.
              Italy is barely Catholic now. What are those two beads supposed to represent?
              I suggest praying Rosaries instead. It is traditional, and has a lot of indulgences.

              Delete all the images on all your devices, and brake all the statues in the law court and on every street.
              Catholics pray with things and not to things.
              It is better to look at an image of Jesus than to look at a bare wall.

              • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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                16 months ago

                Sure buddy, whatever you say.

                By the way, going outside and touch grass is a much better choice than watching an image of Jesus or a bare wall but there are many other options at your disposal, such as DnD, music, art, sports, literature or any other passtime you maybe believe to be satanic or whatever. Don’t throw your only chance at life away following something you can’t see or prove it’s there

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                  6 months ago

                  As food is to the body, prayer is to the soul.
                  🎄 Joyful Christmas in advance.

      • @Dkarma@lemmy.world
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        46 months ago

        Look at the mental damage religion has done to you. You believe “your source” over empirical evidence?

        How weak.

        • flatearth
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          Italian references!
          He cured the blind, restored the deaf, and many more.

          Thousands of miracles have been performed by different people in the past and yet we still have atheists.
          Like I said, we are all born with a clean memory. If we read calumny, we will believe calumny.
          But read about Padre Pio from a true source.
          I need his sources.

          You guys never seem to learn. LGBTQ+ has damaged people.
          I’m sure many want to get back to normal.
          Those that are strong will get back to normal.

          • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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            46 months ago

            Oh yeah and yesterday evening I have had a great sex encounter with both Mary Magdalene and Eve. They did very nice things to my cock and I did enjoy every minute with them.

            Don’t believe me? It was a miracle, I don’t have to provide you with any proof and you cannot argue it didn’t happen

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              That is it. Perversion.
              Those that are wise, will already see that this is perversion.
              Ice cream is cold.
              Coffee is hot.
              One can move from whatever state he/she is currently in.
              Those that want to change should really seek help from God.
              God is everywhere.
              And when you are converted, your speech won’t be pervasion, but words seasoned with salt.

              • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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                46 months ago

                Lmao, my speech is already not pervasion as this word does not exist.

                In my opinion you should seek help from a good shrink but I know you won’t and I accept you the way you are.

                Still going to counterargument all your points because religion is fake and a scam to poor, uneducated people but I would not dare to strip you of your right to be conned

                • flatearth
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                  “Lmao, my speech is already not pervasion as this word does not exist.”
                  Keep exhibiting your ignorance.

                  • @FabioTheNewOrder@lemmy.world
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                    26 months ago

                    I really don’t know the meaning of this word and, as a foreigner educated in your language, I’d like to ask you to show me the definition of this lemma. I admit my ignorance in this matter