• @Interstellar_1
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    404 months ago

    There’s a fundamental difference between someone getting hurt trying to fight for their human rights, versus someone getting hurt fighting to take away other peoples human rights.

    • @PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
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      -104 months ago

      There is no such thing as human rights (at least in my country). Calling it that probably makes you feel your cause is superior and the other side is evil. Quite convenient. All my rights are guaranteed by the constitution, and federal/state/local laws. If it’s not listed in these examples, it is not a right.

        • @PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
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          -24 months ago

          This was created by the UN, which has no power to enforce such a document. It does not apply to every country. Not every country is a member of the UN. A group of powerless humans can’t go around enforcing their views on others. According to your link, member states: “have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms”. With that said…

          No one shall be held in slavery or servitude

          I believe leftists feel being forced to perform manual labor while imprisoned is a form of slavery/servitude. China is a member of the UN, and their treatment of Uyghur muslims is pretty well known at this point.

          No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

          There have been many reports (long ago and recently) of the US government using torture as a means to produce information.

          No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest

          I don’t have to tell you how often someone is frivolously arrested in the US.

          I could go on but you get the picture. My own country doesn’t enforce these “universal human rights” thus, in the US, they are meaningless and basically don’t exist. Maybe other countries do a better job, and good on’em, but for the United States, there is no such thing as “human rights” only what the law allows and doesn’t allow, as I stated previously.

          • _NoName_
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            24 months ago

            Every time y’all talk like this it makes you sound like you don’t think human rights should be respected or enforced.

            I believe leftists feel being forced to perform manual labor while imprisoned is a form of slavery/servitude.

            Yes, prisoners are outsourced via the private prison system to work jobs. In most prisons, this work is required by them. In most prisons, the inmates are paid less than $1 per hour. In several States, they he completely unpaid.

            Seeing as the definition of slavery is defined by loss of rights, majority or total dependance on ones captors, and forced labor- yes, imprisonment in the US seems to be definitionally slavery, and so are most prison programs around the world.

            China is a member of the UN, and their treatment of Uyghur muslims is pretty well known at this point.

            There have been many reports (long ago and recently) of the US government using torture as a means to produce information.

            I don’t have to tell you how often someone is frivolously arrested in the US.

            These are all railed against by leftists as violationsmof human rights, constantly.

            Yes, human rights are not some God-given rule of physics. They have to be fought for constantly.

            Yes, the US is a hypocritical body that violates its own tenants constantly.

            This does not mean ‘human rights don’t exist’. They are defined and codified. Their enforcement is does not determine their existence.

            • @PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
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              14 months ago

              I never stated “human rights” shouldn’t be respected or enforced. I said, in the US, they don’t exist. They were not created by congress, then enshrined into law. It is a concept created by the UN over 70 years ago, and yes, the US was a member at that time, but as you clearly agree, we certainly aren’t enforcing all of those “human rights” conceived by the UN. I don’t know how to make this any clearer.

              A wonderful idea, but unless said country has adopted them, then enforcing them, they’re meaningless.

              • _NoName_
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                24 months ago

                Then continue supporting them and stop spouting drivel about them not existing.

                If you want them enforced you need to treat them as something to be taken seriously, and you need to condemn goverments when they violate them.

      • _NoName_
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        14 months ago

        All my rights are guaranteed by the constitution, and federal/state/local laws. If it’s not listed in these examples, it is not a right.

        A quick glance shows that even your constitutional rights have no weight. The system makes exceptions all the time and wields ambiguity like a weapon. All rights mean nothing when promised by a hypocritical and opportunistic state.