I’ve been seeing a worrying number of these people on Lemmy lately, sharing enlightened takes including but not limited to “voting for Biden is tantamount to fascism” and “the concept of an assigned gender, or even an assigned name, at birth is transphobic” and none of them seem to be interested in reading more than the first sentence of any of my comments before writing a reply.

More often than not they reply with a concern I addressed in the comment they’re replying to, without any explanation of why my argument was invalid. Some of them cannot even state their own position, instead simply repeatedly calling mine oppressive in some way.

It occurred to me just now that these interactions reminded me of nothing so much as an evangelical Christian I got into an argument with on Matrix a while ago, in which I met him 95% of the way, conceded that God might well be real and that being trans was sinful and tried to convince him not to tell that to every trans person he passed, and failed. I am 100% convinced he was trolling – in retrospect I’m pretty sure I could’ve built a municipal transport system by letting people ride on top of his goalposts (that’s what I get for picking a fight with a Christian at 2AM) – and the only reason I’m not convinced these leftists on Lemmy are trolls is the sheer fucking number of them.

I made this post and what felt like half the responses fell into this category. Am I going insane?

  • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
    197·
    8 months ago

    Minimum wage increase? LGBTQ rights? Hell, even segregation took a few decades to fully go away, and depending on who you ask, it still hasn’t.

    Of course we should be disruptive and protest and riot. But let’s also focus on one issue at a time instead of saying “anything short of perfection in a single step is not worth fighting for at all”

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      911·
      8 months ago

      Minimum wage increase?

      …

      Uh…

      The federal minimum wage was last updated in 2009…

      What was the campaign slogan of the president who won the 2008 election? I can’t remember, but I’m pretty sure his campaign wasn’t about sudden change was bad and we should move things slowly.

      Besides, we’re talking about incremental change. And I guess “every 15 years” would be an increment, but Biden hasn’t talked about raising it, and trump won’t, so the best we can hope for is “every 20 years”?

      Like, you didn’t get three words in before you started arguing my point homie.

      You’re too hung up on labels and not on how most voters want the same stuff.

      If you want incremental change with the federal minimum wage, neither party is giving you what you want.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          711·
          8 months ago

          Lol.

          Cool, I’ll buy your car for a billion dollars and make incremental payments.

          I’ll pay a penny a month, and increas a penny every month. That’s an incremental rate, right? So it’s just as good as paying at sale. In about 83 million years it’ll be paid off, do t get impatient, the amount keeps increasing incrementally, you’ll be paid eventually.

          Hell, I’m being generous setting the schedule now, I could make you go decades wondering if incremental change will happen at completely unknown increments

            • Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world
              5·
              8 months ago

              Hell, even if the “revolution” happened today it would take at least a generation to recover. We’re taking years or decades without the already-inadequate food, healthcare, interstate commerce, and civil rights protection we enjoy now…and that’s best case scenario where we stay 1 country. More likely, we’d devolve into something like Europe before the EU.

      • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
        157·
        8 months ago

        You know, when I wrote in the original post that leftists didn’t read more than the first sentence of a comment before writing a reply, I thought I was exaggerating.

        What about LGBTQ rights and segregation?

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          89·
          8 months ago

          It says a lot your main complaint with “leftists” online is they ignore the gold standard of Russian propaganda…

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

          If you can’t go a sentence before saying something false, don’t expect people to write about everything else false you said and refuting each falsehood one at a time.

          Like, you’re the one saying this happens often to you, I’m just trying to help you understand why it always happens.

          If you admit the first thing is wrong, most people will move on to the second. No guarantees how long their keep going

          • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
            66·
            8 months ago

            If you admit the first thing is wrong, most people will move on to the second.

            You have exactly one comment to do that before I report you for being a troll.

              • AVincentInSpaceOPEnglish
                56·
                8 months ago

                You asked me to name one social change that had occurred over decades instead of all at once when the dam burst. I named three. The first of these, admittedly, was the least convincing. You only addressed that one.

                Move on to the second, like you said.

                Minimum wage increase? LGBTQ rights? Hell, even segregation took a few decades to fully go away, and depending on who you ask, it still hasn’t.

                Of course we should be disruptive and protest and riot. But let’s also focus on one issue at a time instead of saying “anything short of perfection in a single step is not worth fighting for at all”