• @gapbetweenus@feddit.de
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    04 months ago

    I would be very cautious to use this argumentation line against your political opponents. To want things to stay the same, seems at least to me to be part of human experience and core of conservative ideology. While to condemn you political opponent through bio-determinism has not played out well in the past.

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        04 months ago

        Correlating political ideologies with psychological traits, especially with negative psychological traits. Progressives have been quite often on the other side of that argumentation (stereotyped as lazy hippies or naive tree hugers ). Stereotyping your opponent does not really help anyone since in a democracy we rely on compromise or conses.

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          Right, and when progressives were on the other side of that argumentation, it was all utter bullshit.

          I just don’t understand how you can both bemoan how conservative policis are cruel and then think that studies showing they have more dark triad/tetrad personality traits are somehow “determinist.”

          There’s a reason why conservative policies are often so inhumane. You can’t just pretend these results aren’t there

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            04 months ago

            You have a very US-American centrist view. European conservatives will sometimes be to the left of US-Democrats. Conservatism is relative to the society, it wants to generally preserve things how they are (again, very basic human experience if you ask me) - just happens that in the USA things rather suck for quite a lot of people.

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              4 months ago

              You have a very US-American centrist view.

              That’s pretty funny considering I’m a Nordic socialist.

              European conservatives will sometimes be to the left of US-Democrats

              May well be but it’s not the case where I live. We have multiple literal neo-Nazis in parliament, courtesy of – drumroll please – a fucking conservative party. None of the conservative parties currently in our government are in any fucking way left of center, or even left of the US Democrats.

              Also, none of this is an actual argument for your position on why those studies are “bio-determinist” and why acknowledging the results is somehow harmful, you’re just deflecting the argument onto me

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                04 months ago

                That’s pretty funny considering I’m a Nordic socialist.

                Funny indeed, but can happen to the best of us.

                May well be but it’s not the case where I live. We have multiple literal neo-Nazis in parliament, courtesy of – drumroll please – a fucking conservative party

                So in your opinion conservatism is not a valid political ideology? Or what is your conclusion. Since conservatives are part of our society and always will be and in a democracy we have to work with them.

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                  So in your opinion conservatism is not a valid political ideology?

                  Where the hell did I say anything of the sort? If you can’t at least try to argue in good faith I really don’t see what the point is here – so far you’ve just managed vague claims about “bio-determinism”, an equally nebulous ad hominem about how I’m very “US centrist”, and this fucking fantastic leap of reasoning