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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
thinking about how I was inoculated against part of ai hype bc a big part of my social circle in undergrad consisted of natural language processing people. they wanted to work at places with names like āOpenAIā and āgoogle deepmind,ā their program was more or less a cognitive science program, but I never once heard any of them express even the slightest suspicion that LLMs of all things were progressing toward intelligence. it would have been a nonsequiter.
also from their pov the statistical approach to machine learning was defined by abandoning the attempt to externalize the meaning of text. the cliche they used to refer to this was āthe meaning of a word is the context in which it occurs.ā
finding out that some prestigious ai researchers are all about being pilled on immanetizating agi was such a swerve for me. itās like if you were to find out that michio kaku has just won his fourth consecutive nobel prize in physics
itās like if you were to find out that michio kaku has just won his fourth consecutive nobel prize in physics
hell of a stinger
Microsoftās AI leader claimed that copyright on the internet can be ignored: https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/ever-put-content-on-the-web-microsoft-says-that-its-okay-for-them-to-steal-it-because-its-freeware
With respect to content that is already on the open web, the social contract of that content since the 90s has been that it is fair use. Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it. That has been freeware, if you like. Thatās been the understanding, thereās a separate category where a website or a publisher or a news organization had explicitly said, ādo not scrape or crawl me for any other reason than indexing me so that other people can find that content.ā Thatās a gray area and I think thatās going to work its way through the courts.
Watch the entire interview if youāre bored because he is in deep. Microsoft probably just hired the most AI-enthused person they could find.
I think even wilder is that he thinks content which has explicitly been labeled ādo not scrape except for search engine indexingā is a āgray areaā with regards to scraping for AI. Like, thatās exactly what it says not to do!
He isnāt totally wrong re the unspoken rule, but he forgets the second unspoken rule, that the first rule only applies to human being doing entertainment not corporations trying to make money.
Never thought Iād see Microsoft suggest downloading a car, but I should have seen it coming.
Anyone can copy it, recreate with it, reproduce with it
Ewā¦ stay away from my content, you creep!
see it was wrong when those dirty pirate hippies tried to do it but itās totally fine when microsoft does it because microsoft canāt be wrong, see? easy
Hereās the whole thing from that great quote. Sorkin is not a hard-hitting interviewer, but he just asks the incredibly obvious questions and Suleyman swerves and dodges like a MF while pronouncing at him in an English listen-to-me-you-pleb voice.
No, all you lawyers explaining to me how the practice of law works in the U.S., you would totally benefit from GPT. Complete with bonus:
- Everyone explaining to me that lawyers actually read all the documents in discovery is really trying to explain to me, a computer scientist with 20 years of experience[1], how GPT works!
- [1] Does OP have actual tech expertise? The answer may (not) surprise you!
- You lawyers admit that sometimes you use google translate and database search engines, and those use machine learning components, and all ML is basically LLMs, so Iām right, Q.E.D.!
- Lawyers couldnāt possibly read everything in discovery, right?
- Lawyers couldnāt possibly pay for professional translation for everything, right?
- Even when itās mandated by the court?
- Really?
- and many, many more
This is also a very qucik hypthetical that I wrote up just to show a point not to argue a fucking legal case.
āGuys I totally didnāt expect the lawyers to respond like lawyers when reading my Chat-GPT generated garbageā
Exceptā¦ I admitted I was not a lawyer and not an expert, and rather than working to communicate they kept latching onto errors related to law, while they confidently made statements about the nature and functionality of ML technologies like LLMs and NMTs.
āWhy are all the lawyers being so mean to me?? Iām just saying they could all be replaced by chatbotsā
Iām sorry, but youāre wrong. Youāre also mansplaining to an expert. While I admit that I am not an expert on law and am listening when corrections related to LAW and the practice of LAW are concerned, you do not want to admit your lack of understanding of this technology.
My god DANIEL, no, people are not mansplaining to you, unless thatās a mask for a Danielle.
EDIT: Down the thread he responds to Kathryn Tewson, an actual expert, with
Yeah Iām not obligated to answer every question by a horde of people. You should change your name to Karen, because you sure act like a fucking entitled white bitch.
This guy has such a punchable face, even though Iāve never seen him. I can just tell.
Kathryn Tewson
Iirc, She is not just an expert, but she is so good at law that while she didnāt practice law, but just commented about her interpretations of the law (as ANAL) people hired her and paid for her law degree. She has both talent and expertise.
Danielās a very nice and likable guy, but heās also a bitcoiner
I just want to latch onto one more thing there:
GPTs are great at transforming information. Transformations include compression, decompression, and inter-language translation, among others.
Okay mister computer scientist, sure, what is ātransforming informationā? From what youāre saying it appears like youāre describing basically any map from information to other information. But AMONG OTHERS that includes a map going from NO INFO to CONFIDENT BULLSHIT. And I do agree LLMs are amazing at it.
Here, Iāll sketch it out for you in fucking LaTeX:
$\emptyset \mapsto \mathit{Nonsense}$
Ah shit, ML spelled backwards and wrong is LLM, they got me good.
This thread is an unending source of amusement.
Someone there found his ORCID andā¦ Itās not great: https://orcid.org/0000-0003-2835-3521
He has basically nothing published, but has like 40 different āpreprintsā, read PDFs he uploaded to arxiv with no peer review.
I use these tools daily. I have also built software which utilizes genAI. I have also worked on fine-tuning GPTs. I have written extensive [sic!] on the topic. I also have formal training in mathematics, computer science, engineering, and anthropology1. [emph. mine]
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1 No he doesnāt? His Education lists A.S. in Engineering, A.S. in Computer Science, and B.S. in Mathematics, that anthropology claim seems completely made up.
Those āpapersā are gold, theyāre mostly a few pages long, and they span such a wild range of topics as:
- How to calculate a mean of numbers?
- What is a number?
- Atheism is actually a religion.
- Ethereum is a store of energy.
Iāve never seen someone in such a dire need of a wedgie, come on man, you spend the hours of your life writing your farts into LaTeX and generating DOIs for them, this isnāt healthy.
nothing wrong with papers a few pages long, as long as they are concisely written and have supplementary information 10x that size. my last paper is 5 pages long, of which the last one are references only, and has 60+ pages of SI
Dunno, the funniest thing about them to me is that theyāre still divided into 7-8 sections, each one-paragraph long. Just a guy who was never told he was wrong in his life and his idea of what research looks like.
Ethereum is a store of energy.
fucking WHAT
I am unfairly misrepresenting that for sneer purposes but if you want to see what happens when someone with typical cryptobro brainworms gets access to a paper-looking PDF template:
jaysus, mary, joseph and the wee donkey. (ESPECIALLY the wee donkey.)
he also has a personal site, itās linked on researchgate. i took psychic damage reading this, somebody force him to touch grass
oh goddess, heās already a bleeding muppet, and going to be a major crank. from the researchgate profile:
I am an aspiring polymath and a rÅnin scholar. I also tend to look at questions, rather than fields of study, as a research question often does incorporate many disparate topics. Research interests include the psychological and anthropological nature of religion, vaccine efficacy and impact on asymptomatic carriage, and the application of paraconsistent logic to scientific research.
rÅnin! fucking! scholar!
eh iāve seen that before at least once and iām inclined to believe thereās much more of it that nobody cares to notice. on r/chemistry and r/organicchemistry there was a dude, 19, dramatic bitch, who read surface level philosophy and tried getting into ochem for some obscure reason. turns out he wanted to make some anticancer drugs and needs guidance. cool fine maybe get degree in ochem first so you donāt do any stupid avoidable mistakes. he wonāt listen
he tried to get into uni but if i have to guess he got rejected? in any case he didnāt learn anything but over time got into contact with some research group, at least thatās what he claimed and started homelab. (youād guess that some medchem research group at uni would have a wet lab, but it must be in other country and youāve never seen them).
so anyway our misunderstood hero starts cooking āanticancerā āmedsā in his living room. how does he know it works, did he made this, sent samples to biologists who would test it for him, or maybe compchem group would simulate it out? nope, heād just got an idea that it will work and thatās just as good, you know, his supreme rationality unrecognized by academic cabal guided him there. so he starts cooking, but does not know how. this included shit like distilling some flammable solvent on wicker table without clamps or anything that would actually make glassware stable. so every other step he asks for advice on really basic shit like heād learn in second year university course (BSc), or in first year of work in organic chemistry lab, his synthesis is avoidably dirty, his purifications are trash, three steps in he has painted himself into corner, yields drop to zero and he has no idea why or what now. this usually means that entire synthesis was shite from the beginning and itās time to go back to the drawing board.
(did i mention that he was a dramatic bitch? so he picked it up because he wanted to do something Good for Humanity, and if he fails then well he could just as well commit sewer slide. his first idea involved radioisotopes btw, all in his living room mind you. then objective shifted to āanti-rabies antiviralā where he missed the point of about everything he wanted to do. then went back to āanticancerā)
anyway this was his breaking point, after something like three or four people tried to explain politely that he really should get a degree first and set some objective that is not obviously pulled from his supremely rational ass, he started insulting everyone and what eventually earned him sitewide ban was a tirade about how heād genocide everyone who doesnāt recognize his genius, given opportunity (he compared himself to milosevic (he was serb))
anyway he also had medium blog and posted dick picks with face included from the same account. he made another one, but itās since abandoned. allegedly he also had 2 or 3 accounts before that
if his claim of ā20 years studying mathā is anywhere close to accurate heās already off the deep end, unless heās counting in everything from kindergarten up. considering heās a cryptobro it already happened pre-pandemic
Hey, he didnāt update the website to include his research interest in AI, huh, wonder how long heās been a samurai of that
Theyāre all blog posts that refer to no actual work, my favorite is the one where he advocates for his blog posts to be accepted to journals: Call to Research: A need for a new paper format
This is mostly whining about how heās totally an academic and people should take him seriously.
Jesus cinnamon crunch Christ. At least the blog posts are mercifully short. He somehow manages to have antivaxx nonsense there as well??
This is doubly funny because that already exists, at least in Computer Science, and is called a vision paper. You still need to put in a lot of work, perhaps more, into the bibliography and, you know, actually having compelling stuff to say.
heās the very model of a modern crypto-douchebag.
A.S. in Engineering, A.S. in Computer Science
wait, wait. thatās basically the bootcamp level of education, no?
(nothing wrong with that per se, i donāt have any c. s. degree anyways and yet i work in the field for years. but the gall of a dude who has finished a few two-year courses to tell fucking law professionals that they donāt know enoughā¦ this is indeed the threadnought-level of recklessness.)
the sheer hubris of that individual putting out preprints, as if making this available before peer review would hasten chatgpt rapture (none of that shite will be ever published)
I know essentally nothing about the US education system butā¦
If youāre gonna pull credentalist bullshit, maybe at least have the credentials? You took us there mate, I wouldnāt be pulling your degrees up if you didnāt first talk about how formally educated you areā¦
he does seem to have carefully cultivated case of engineer disease
also itās not āalmost allā preprints, itās all preprints, just one repository calls these papers
he didnāt discover yet predatory journals, it all could have been published for a small fee like with this one (contains mind numbing level of conspiracy-theoretic rambling and related brainworms) hxxps://uraniumisagenocidegiant[.]com/ (you have been warned)
Thereās one classified as āSSRN Electronic Journal 2023 | Journal articleā, I thought this was something like a predatory journal, hence the āalmostā, but now that I clicked on it I think this is just an arxiv-like website that calls itself an āelectronic journalā? No fucking idea.
yeah that one is sneaky but itās a repository, not a journal with peer review
Amazing.
I could āpublishā my homeworks from the 5yrs of college onto arxiv and thatād be a more scientifically valuable endeavour. Better formatted, too.
that
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I wish I was surprised at what the main account was posting about when I looked into it šµāš«
studied maths and CS for 20 years, all he has to show for it on his orcid is BSc and bunch of lousy preprints (with blockchain!). jfc. in that amount of time, people can finish entire PhD degrees, starting from high school, twice over
on top of that pile of shite sits a preprint titled āA Scholarās Year in Review: Navigating the Convergence of AI, Economics, and Physics in 2023ā. might be a bit grandiose and bordering on word salad. why the fuck does he think he needs to release preprints. if he had anything worthwhile to say, it would pass peer review
he also has researchgate
Looking to network with other researchers in a diverse array of fields for collaboration and discussion.
bet you would want to, you time-waster
aand his crowning achievement seems to be dead startup where he tries to put covid on blockchain, it has coin and everything. itās even associated with worldcoin and so with sam altman. curious that
Not a cult.
from r/EnoughMuskSpam
Amazing claim considering there are I think about 10k cybertrucks in the world right now, and all of them are broken. Ok I admit, that is due to the wiper recall, but even if you ignore the wiper recall the amount of broken cybertrucks is massive.
And ~0.5% of them have āFuck Elon Muskā written on them.
E: Amazing. (The Cybertruck was released on Nov. 30. Today, Tesla announced it was recalling the vehicle for the fourth time, an impressive rough average of one recall every seven weeks. )[https://bsky.app/profile/charlescmann.bsky.social/post/3kvr3ahwc452h]
Haha this reminds me of humanoid robots belong in the trash
heck yeah I love
Physics Jenny NicholsonAngela Collierindeed! I rarely get to watch them because of the length, but theyāre always so good, thoughtful and thorough. one of best talking heads on yt I know of
format/delivery is technically more than just talking head, I guess, but ykwim
Thank you āshe and this video are new to me - very good!
I like the wet your finger and stick it up in the air forecasting model. OK - thereās 1.5 billion pocket-sized iPhones - so letās say 2 billion person-sized robots, you know,
Iām wondering about the supply chain issues just making the extra half billion robots, might be kind of a big deal. Are there enough rare minerals in the whole world to do this? Lithium batteries? Computer chips?
Also, yeah, valuation based on revenue and not EBITA / profit margins, but whatever.
Lol. What, are we going to be installing Candy Crush on our robots? Expecting to be able to project recurring revenue from a humanoid robot based on smartphone numbers is a new kind of ignorance.
Iām sure Candy Crush will come pre-installed.
āHello helpdesk? My fleet of humanoid workers I paid 500k for apiece arenāt at their workstations churning out fabric piecework, theyāre all playing Candy Crush on their iPhonesā¦ā
rabbit data breach: all r1 responses ever given can be downloaded
AI continues to be going greatā¦
we have internal confirmation that the rabbit team is aware of this leaking of api keys and have chosen to ignore it
european regulatory clarity approaching at mach 5 (that is if they ever sold this thing in EU)
lol holy shit
we have internal confirmation that the rabbit team is aware of this leaking of api keys and have chosen to ignore it. the api keys continue to be valid as of writing.
but of course. rabbitās done pretending they give a fuck now that their shit flopped (not that they gave much of a fuck to begin with)
https://x.com/xyz3va/status/1805689140639408277
rabbit has revoked the keys!
breaking every R1 still in service
breaking every R1 still in service
Total losses estimated at $7.13
fucking amazing. like, I shouldnāt be surprised they deployed a bunch of embedded devices without a sensible way to rotate keys OTA, but itās always fun to watch a circus act
and here I am building up a fucking pile of infra in advance of deployment of boards for exactly this reason
itās almost like, irunno, maybe you could say Iāve thought this through! only maybe tho. Iām not backed by decamillions+ vc dollaridoos, so who can tell whether I know what Iām doing, amirite
remember that Rabbit pivoted to this from NFTs
thatās what makes it even better - from the āself-custody of keys!!! your own credentials! v v v v v importants!ā world, these dipshits still had no clue
just truly awe-inspiringly terrible
thought it was bad enough when the hackers got into my rabbithole, now this
https://religionandpolitics.org/2021/05/12/the-eugenics-roots-of-evangelical-family-values/
Ran across this a few weeks back and boy howdy it explained some thingsā¦
ālook surely not everything in America is explained by racismā āā¦ OH COME ON NOWā
some of the rest is explained by greed
I doubt you had to do square dancing lessons in school over there but apparently that was a RW thing too.
Before: searching in Internet Explorer āhow to install Chromeā
Now:
The Death of the Junior Developer
Steve Yegge goes hard into critihype, thereās no need for any junior people anymore, all you need is a senior prompt engineer. No word on what happens when the seniors retire or die off, guess weāll have AGI by then and itāll all work out. Also no word on how the legal profession will survive when all the senior prompt engineerās time is spend rewriting increasingly meaningless LLM responses as the training corpus inevitably degenerates from slurm contamination.
If I had a nickle for every time on June 27th 2024 Iāve read someone argue that chatbots make lawyers obsolete Iād have two nickles. Which isnāt a lot of money but itās weird that it happened twice.
As a āseniorā programmer; my coworkers, even the newer ones are people. They can think. They are professional. I can describe problems to them and eventually get solutions, or at least sensible follow-up questions. I donāt have to baby them or āprompt engineerā stuff I tell them. I can just sit back and drink my hot cocoa and occasionally try to sound distinguished while my juniors do all the hard work.
Chatbros have discovered that you can get a chatbot to string together tutorials from the net into simple programs that almost work with some finangling. Somehow they never realized that you could always do this by web searching for āsocket example I hate unix please make it gentleā. Of course none of this generalizes to anything complex or not in the training set (read: anything that anyone will actually pay you to do), but the Chatbros donāt care because they were never doing real work in the first place.
this is such a sad slop. i wouldnāt guess itās yegge, itās so far from his style when he used to write himself.
Funny, as I also assume LLMs will cause the death of the Junior Developer, but not because the job dissapears, but because due to relying on LLMs devs never really build the skills to understand software and will suck so hard people will not hire them for the junion -> senior positions. And it gets even worse for the junior dev when the LLMs enshittify (either by the output degrading or the deal altering more and more pray they donāt alter the deal further).
Guess the difference of opinion here is calling people who use LLMs junior devs vs calling them senior devs.
Iām oddly reminded of the person who used copilot to write a script to do something (which they offered to others), and didnāt know what http errors meant. (they just asked the LLM how to fix it).
āDevOpsā is a word meaning āsysadmin who can still use the command lineā
@dgerard @Soyweiser I thought we were SREs now. At least, the message for years was āSysadmins are useless shit now because they arenāt software engineers and hell, they donāt even call themselves engineersā.
a euphemism treadmill of ākeeping shit workingā
@dgerard Sometimes I feel like a hospital doctor whoās worked in the clap clinic for decades and has had a series of name badges starting with āVenereal Diseaseā and passing through āSpecial Clinicā on the way to āSexual Health Clinicā. Same thankless job, just different labels.
Same basic lessons, tooā¦ āconsider the risks of giving root privileges to people you just metā, etc.
I donāt feel like any great shakes as a sysadmin, then I encounter someone with the same job title who has clearly never used a command line before
Wait there are people who cannot use the command line. No wait again, donāt answer that please.
There are āsysadminsā who have to be dragged kicking and screaming to using the command line.
ā¦whatā¦ What would they use instead?
having seen the horror from a distance: VNC, a fuckton of clicking, occasionally mouse and keyboard macros, possibly a networked KVM (itself not a bad idea at all for emergency access to hardware too commodity or misdesigned to have a sensible serial console, but weāre talking day to day here), and a massive chip on their shoulder about being forced off their beloved Windows Server 2003 and onto Linux
How do they sysadmin a server that doesnāt have any display devices aside from the terminal then? Which in my experience is almost all of them?
I have had the actually quite heartwarming experience of us hiring on a serious NT BOFH (someone who knows precisely how to wave a hammer at NT to intimidate it) and he sees how Linux does stuff and is trepidatious but eventually delighted
then there are others
iām at like the pointy-clicky stage with NT admin and sometimes itās just not enough, cos itās Babbyās First OS but with several layers of tentacles underneath
nsfw: nice to see thejuicemedia jumping in with a quality sneer
oh thatās very good
bring back rap news :<
lol, Bruce Sterling posted this to bsky: (image)
@dgerard @froztbyte given that anecdote from William Gibson about how realising that his first computer actually *used a spinning disk full of rust to store its data* crushed his romantic ideas about technology, this rings true
I donāt understand the hate for transition lenses. You donāt have to get them in frames last fashionable in 1982.
I guess the point is the dude wonāt have lasik.
Lasik? Rip those eyes out and put cybereyes in! For one hole glorious year I could see in infrared. (Sadly the company went bankrupt and they repoāed my eye, so that is why there is a hole now, at least I didnāt splurge for both eyes).
Lasik doesnāt work for every vision problem.
Thatās because it doesnāt use AIā¦
transition lenses = photochromic lenses
(i thought for a moment it was another term for varifocals, but no, Transitions is a company that makes photochromic lenses)
Duh, my bad. I thought it was something like varifocals too.
Photochromic lenses were a nerd staple when I was a teenager. Dunno if/how popular they are now.
i am the guy of that age, and i would never get anything else, and yes fuck they are
Another one
https://mastodon.social/@bruces/112690475011154532
edit seems to be a whole bunch of similar ones.
yeah itās a new meme format with an AI wojak generator
You know what would be awesome is if there was a way to easily see new posts to a thread, like if the āNewā button actually put New posts on top. Maybe lemmy truly is too janky for that but itās a shame because I just start to ignore threads after a while.
I recently learned there is a page showing just the comments of the communities you are subscribed to; that works for me because this space is so incredibly low-traffic, but I guess falls apart if you use that account to follow higher-traffic chatter.
I use it, but at least on my browser the
nextbutton is disabled so I can only see the most recent page of updates. I treat that as a the jank is a feature moment, though; if thereās more than one page of new comments, Iām forced to stop reading.
yeah, itās a Lemmy breakage
I also use the new comments page, and when lemmy default frontend broke the next page, I looked around and found https://alexandrite.app, which fixes this page. EG https://alexandrite.app/awful.systems/c/techtakes?type=Comments&sort=New
The downside is that, in implementing an infinite scroll, it unloads comments that youāre not looking at, so ctrl-f will be unreliable.
I might have been wrong on the capabilities of ML, this is very impressive. (twitter link), was I wrong and Yud right?
And be careful that you donāt lose yourself in the eyes of a pig.
Donāt worry a heavily edited 3 minute video filled with inconsistencies promised me that AI movies were right around the corner. No matter that the unearthly writhing of the backgrounds makes me simultaneously motion sick and stressed out, Iām sure theyāll work that out.
okay at this point I should probably make a whole-ass perplexity post because this is the third time Iām featuring them in stubsack but 404media found yet more dirt
ā¦ which included creating a series of fake accounts and AI-generated research proposals to scrape Twitter, as CEO Aravind Srinivas recently explained on the Lex Fridman podcast
According to Srinivas, all he and his cofounders Denis Yarats and Johnny Ho wanted to do was build cool products with large language models, back when it was unclear how that technology would create value
tell me again how lies and misrepresentation arenāt foundational parts of the business model, I think I missed it
A couple of examples Srinivas gave on the podcast is āWho is Lex Fridman following that Elon Musk is also following,ā or āwhat are the most recent tweets that were liked by both Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.ā
Questions asked by the terminally deranged.
Or somebody looking for āthe worst posts onlineā cringe compilation. Musks CEOs must be able to build their companies products not be able to read spreadsheets was a good example.
How can someone implement that and not just be constantly thinking āI really really really do not want to be prosecuted under the CFAA, I should not be doing thisā.
Ethics clearly donāt really work in this profession, so schools should hammer home legal liability as well.
Ethics clearly donāt really work in this profession, so schools should hammer home legal liability as well.
Iāve thought about this a bunch in the past, and tbh the only answer Iāve come to over many forms of it is āfuck the fucking USAā
itās a place that is structurally built to allow for that kind of evasion and abuse to happen
As long as line goes up nobody knows how rich the perps will be.
And if you donāt know how rich the perps will be, how will you know if and how hard they should be punished?
What do normal people - people who donāt pay for twitter, or sneer at rationalists - think of Twitter atp?
Went on to Twitter (my mistake) after seeing Inside Out 2 because itās the latest kidās movie to feature [trope that I found passe that I canāt figure out how to spoil inline] and I see a post on my feed from āHBD Chickā.
And Iām like okay, that has to be āhappy birthday, right?ā. Nah, her third retweet is creamy porno redux.
Just like all the other right wingers and embarrassingly enthusiastic neoliberals and occasional Musk fans, I donāt follow her or anybody that follows her, thereās literally no connection or personal interest.
I feel like the post Elon shift is really understated for how bad the siteās gotten. Like I see more people talk about how Instagram reels is racist than I do about the average twitter replies section. I know a lot of left leaning people fled for bluer pastures, but Iām surprised you donāt see more buzz about it from regular, non-power users.
Itās pretty amazing that this so-called genius spent $44B on a company without apparently knowing anything about how the market it operates in (advertising) actually works.
ā"I do shoot myself in the foot from time to time, but at least you know it is genuine, not from the PR department,āā
He is the PR department.
I assume some PR departments of potential advertisers saw that and went ālower the twitter spend more!ā, Iām imaging the Futurama joke where Fry talks to investors while stock price tally is running live behind him.
Twitterās main issue is that itās not really very big. It wasnāt big even pre-Musk. If you have the choice between advertising on a really big social network (Meta (=FB, IG, Whatsappā¦)) with a functioning trust & safety team and ad brokers who take you seriously and donāt accuse you of being woke, and one which has way smaller reach, no T&S to speak of, and whose owner can use his outsized influence to call your CEO a pedo whenever the ketamine kicks in, the choice is clear.
42 upvotes? In 2 hours? There is some serious weirdness going on here.
I got boosted by Charlie Strossā¦
Ah right, I didnāt see that as im directly on awful that explains
@gerikson @Soyweiser It is funny, because by 99% of media sites Twitter was always one of the Three Big Ones: Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Those were the social networks that were linked TO, and also the social networks media followed. MAYBE Linked In, if it was a ābusinessā publication.
Twitter had outsized impact because itās where the journalists hung out, and structurally it was much more everyone in the same place than FB/IG
@dgerard Plus you get to write articles about āTwitter Stormsā about your articles.
I realized Twitter was for weirdo wonks when the local āIdolā reality show just had IG links for the contestants (Sweden). There might be markets where Twitter is locally bigger, but in Sweden it was always a niche thing.
First of all, most of my ānormalā acquaintances never used Twitter anyway.
Most of the ones that did just quit when it got weird and dominated by useless suggestions and creepy ads.
I had one friend last week in a group chat go āTwitter is so racist nowadays innitā, to which I said ye, why you still using it, and he responded āyouāre rightā and stopped.
I used to hear about it IRL and now I donāt idk
not a single fucker ever calls it anything other than twitter
I wish I knew any normal people so I could give input.
Personally my Twitter pre-Elon was pretty curated. I never really āgotā a big part of it unless it spilled over in other channels (I never heard of āBlack people Twitterā on Twitter, only from Buzzfeed or similar). I also disengaged from US political Twitter hard after the 2016 election. So itās possible I could still be using it and swearing over bots etc. without being overly affected, but I locked my account as an act of principle shortly after he took over.
Same here - I had a very small universe curated for myself. I didnāt leave immediately, but when I did, there were a whole lot more weird ads and bots and stuff in my feed. I think that I only ever saw prĆøn once, and I was actually shocked that it even existed on Twitter.
Note: all the talk I mention is online talk. Nobody in my irl life talks about social media dynamics ever, thank GOD
Only time non-online people I know IRL talk about it is when they ask me the most basic of basic stuff.
