• nekandro@lemmy.mlOP
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    5 months ago

    The implication being that somebody wants to launch a nuclear strike on Russia.

    Attacking a country’s nuclear triad is cause for a nuclear retaliatory strike under all non-NFU doctrines. If Russia can’t identify whether an incoming object is a nuclear strike, any no first use doctrine goes out the window.

    This is pushing us straight towards nuclear war with our eyes closed.

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      How is that the implication when there are lots of other explanations, one even given above?

      If the target costs more than the missile (including the opportunity cost), and/or the target is a high priority for repairs, it makes sense to target it. It doesn’t need to be more complicated than that.

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        I guess the fear of nukes has waned since the end of the Cold War.

        Y’all will literally sacrifice the entire world so long as Russia loses.

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          Or Russia could stop annexing sovereign shit.

          Funny to read people carrying Russia’s dirty pisswater, pretending to wring their hands in fear about a response to fucking aggression. We aren’t happening to Russia, Russia is happening to us.

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            Like in school when you hit the bully back and get suspended.

            “Warum tun menschen einem schlimme Dinge an? Weil man es zulässt.”

            Sometimes the only decision is dying kneeling or dying standing.

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            Funny that you should bring that up, because Eastern Ukraine is ethnically and linguistically Russian-dominated, just like Crimea. Self-determination for me but not for thee?

            Why does Western Ukraine get to dictate the sovereignty of Eastern Ukraine?

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              As a Russian speaking Ukrainian from eastern Ukraine, a sincere fuck you is sent your way.

              Just because we were raised speaking russian doesn’t mean any of this shit is ok.

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                We had this topic in our country as well as gadafi thought “ehh? In this country, they speak German French and Italian, so logically those parts of switzerland should belong to Italia, Germany, France.”

                But german speaking swiss people don’t want to belong to Germany, Italian speaking Swiss people don’t want to belong to Italy and French speaking swiss people don’t want to belong to France.

                It makes me sad and mad that there are so many people thinking in simple ways like this and think they are stable geniuses. Like, get yourself some culture, FFS.

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                And yet your neighbours evidently disagree, given the extent from which the Donbas and Luhansk militias successfully recruited from the population.

                An anecdote does not disprove statistics.

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                  You talking about those forcefully recruited after being blackmailed into accepting Russian passport or those who already had it before 2014 and were sent there after? Yes, sure, there are people who genuinely wanted those regions to be part of Russia. As there are Russians fighting on Ukraine’s side. Following your logic Ukraine or other “high moral” party should’ve run “special military operation” to help Russian Freedom Legion to overthrow Putin. Why not mentioning Crimea’s tatars in Russian army? Is it coz they were repressed, their property was taken and they were forcefully moved out of their native lands? Why their ethnicity is not that important? Can’t absorb Russian identity nationalism to the degree they blindly follow their tsar? Or better tell us if Russia is so pro-ethnicity independence then why Russia taking down those Dagestan rebels? Or not giving Siberia’s people independence? “That’s all western propaganda” you’ll say. Don’t bother.

                  I’m join my neighbor in request to you to fuck ff. Don’t make me mad and keep “your” imperialistic opinion for Russian Empire fan meetup. The only anecdote here is you

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      Our eyes aren’t closed. The ruling class wants it. The proles have been taught to want it - just go to any thread discussing Russia or China, you’ll see calls to bomb Three Gorges Damb or just a broad “bomb the blyats” (actual quote). Our eyes aren’t closed at all