• 800XL@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      4 months ago

      The Dems trying to start the campaign over from scratch with someone else this far into the year is just stupid. It’s giving the election to the Republicunts and they’re salivating.

      They shouldn’t have had hm run in the fucking first place and been able to actually plan a campaign. This is so fucking amateurish it’s pathetic.

      • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Strong disagree.

        I live in a small bubble so to speak, and am only as good as what I see online and the few people I talk to about this. I would personally be way more engaged and excited if biden steps down, and so would a few of my friend/colleagues I’m comfortable talking about this topic with.

        I think biden staying in is our worst chance at beating trump. If he leaves dem voters will be energized. If he and kamala are both out, even more energized.

        I’m way way more nervous if biden sticks it out. Biden can barely walk without help, and barely speak coherently. The optics are extremely important. And now dumbass trump has that stupid fist in the air meme.

        He needs to drop out now.

        • Scallionsandeggs@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          As someone that’s mostly been an outsider, this playing out has given me more faith in the Democratic Party than I’ve ever had. For as long as I can remember, they’ve been the feckless, controlled opposition party that might occasionally throw some rights and economic opportunity my way by accident. When they lose a presidential election, it’s always “aw, shucks, we’ll get 'em next time.”

          This isn’t that. This is the party publicly airing no confidence in their president in July in an election year. This is an emergency and they’ve broken the glass because there’s a real threat to the country.

          The glass can’t be unbroken at this point. If somehow Biden still became the nominee, all Trump’s campaign has to do is point out how his party doesn’t even believe he should be president again. The senior party officials knew that going in, and it’s why they must continue to mount private, public, and donor pressure on Biden until he gives it up.

          • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            Very well said, and I totally agree. I finally have some respect for the dem party specifically for this. I feel like the usual dem establishment tactics would dictate staying the course with biden, following procedure, etc. By them encouraging him to drop out this late, there is a respect given towards the voter base recognizing we really want someone else, and the real concern of making sure trump doesn’t win. This is a truly progressive act, going against the norm, breaking the emergency glass very much needed.

            Honestly I think we could destroy trump with a new ticket. The problem now is for biden to have the courage to make the right decision and drop out. If he doesn’t ill have no choice but to vote for him, but yikes.

          • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Why do you say that? Every dem and “independent” I talk to tell me they don’t want Biden or Harris but they’d be eager to vote for anyone under 60 who is even remotely progressive.

            If Biden did a press conference with Newson tomorrow announcing he’s passing his campaign to a new generation they would be totally psyched.

            • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              I don’t care about arbitrary numbers for age, but Biden just looks lost. It’s about cognitive decline. I’ll vote him anyway, but a lot of normies think he’s “too old” and that means he might not win against someone that should be very beatable (donnie).

            • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              4 months ago

              Every non-maga I talk to is happy to vote for him. This idea that no one wants Biden is something I’m only hearing on lemmy. And the timing is pretty sus

              • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                It’s possible your experience is very anecdotal. Everyone I talk to that is not magabrained says they’ll vote for him, if they must. That’s the key part: if they must. Most of them wish there was almost any other Democrat in there.

                The polls show that 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out, but apparently Biden and team is more concerned with his ego. Again, if he stays in, I’m voting for him. But I think the Democrats will get absolutely crushed all up and down the ballot if he stays in.

              • knightly the Sneptaur
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                Actually, yeah. That election turned out within the margin of error of the polls.

                Everyone who was surprised by the result needs media literacy classes.

          • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            I’m just not buying that. I think Biden’s people and a lot of people walking on eggshells for him may have convinced themselves of that (maybe). But I bet that narrative flips the minute he steps down.

            • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              7
              ·
              4 months ago

              I’m not buying that. Trying to change candidates this late in the game is such a bad idea that the only person that would suggest it is someone who wants Trump to win.

              • Count042@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                Given that every point of data shows Trump winning in a landside, and probably getting the house and Senate, if Biden stays in suggests that people advocating for Biden staying in want Trump to win.

                See what I did there?

                Fun fact, actual data supports one and only one of us.

                Are you a Russian bot that wants Trump to win?

                  • Count042@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    3
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    4 months ago

                    So… Let me get this right. Your only response is literally a named fallacy?

                    What does your gut say the stock market will do next month, oh wonderful and correct Oracle?

      • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        I’d also add my speculation that the repubs want biden to stay in, as he’s their best shot at winning.

        Anyone else would be an unknown, and I think would be positive.

          • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            4 months ago

            How? No one wants to vote for him. We are all voting for “Not Trump”. Someone that people want to vote for who isn’t Trump should perform better.

            • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              4 months ago

              Everyone I know is happy to vote for him. This idea of changing candidates is only being pushed online right now as far as I can see. Pretty convenient timing too.

              • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                It’s been the narrative in my world for ages. My friends all joined the write in campaign for ‘uncommitted’ during the primary hoping we could send a message to the DNC. My social media outside lemmy is full of rants about not wanting to vote for Biden and anger at being forced to in order to avoid Trump. The mood is somber, almost depressed, we are talking like the election is already over and how to best protect people from a Trump admin.

                  • Count042@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    4 months ago

                    It’s relevant because that is what you are using. It sure as hell isn’t logic or data.

                    'Improperly collected data failed us once, so it always will" is literally the same thing as what you are saying.

                    It ignores any changes in methodology that occurred in 8 years. It ignores identified biases that have been removed.

                    It’s literally am anti-science point of view.

                    E.g. your gut. It sure as hell isn’t coming from your brain.

          • Tedrow@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            I’ve seen you say that a few times here but haven’t seen an argument. I’m just curious, why do you think that?

            • UsernameHere@lemmings.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              4 months ago

              He beat Trump once. He’s the incumbent. Changing this late in the game is going to cause a clusterfuck so bad that it would guarantee Trump’s win.

              • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                He beat donnie 4 years ago. He’s not the same man. Also, Covid is not in the same state as it was. And he didn’t have to fight against the (admittedly mostly false) narrative about inflation and so on.

                Something like 2/3 of Democrats want him to bow out. Why won’t he take that advice and end it now, before he completely soils his decades-long legacy of service?