• jabib (he/him)@beehaw.org
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    1 year ago

    It amazes me how much and how quick people are to blame Biden or AOC when the political landscape isn’t this richly progressive utopia in a rank choice voting system. We have real problems in this country and the ONLY way we get closer to solving them is by not electing fascists

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      The ONLY way we get closer to solving them was by educating our populace about the dangers of authoritarianism in the wake of the world wars. And coming to terms as a nation how much the Nazi regime learned from America and our concentration camps that we don’t teach nearly enough about.

      But that ship kind of sailed and we now live in a country where some obscenely high percent of Americans don’t even believe the holocaust happened at all.

      In my opinion we are way past the solution being democrats, they hardly even stop the bleeding anymore. They are just there to show the masses that there are two parties and they didn’t really want to pass all of this pro business, anti people legislation, but we had to because of the debt ceiling that we didn’t even stop for long and the Republicans can beat us with it again in a few years.

      The system is designed to be fucked.

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        we can whine about how we didn’t do the right thing before now all we want, but we live in the world of today, and the solution, or at least part of it, must be to keep the actual fascists from doing actual fascism. we have to do more, electoral politics isn’t gonna save us, but genuinely it makes me really mad when people get all doomer about this shit. most people used to be serfs. a hundred years ago children were working in coal mines. progress can be made. progress against capitalists can be made. and if voting didn’t matter businesses wouldn’t be pouring money into politics, republicans wouldn’t be trying their best to stop people from turning up.

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          While I agree that “being all doomer” isn’t exactly helpful, I want to point out that voting democrats in hasn’t been exactly helpful either. Child labor has been happening in America this ENTIRE time, it has just only been legal in the agricultural space. But I had a job before it was legal using a family members social security number, and we were almost middle class.

          There are a LOT of problems with our current system. I just feel like continuing to elect the only two parties that got us here is a bad plan.

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            I want to point out that voting democrats in hasn’t been exactly helpful either. […] There are a LOT of problems with our current system. I just feel like continuing to elect the only two parties that got us here is a bad plan.

            as always, if you want this to be different in a way that isn’t going to throw everything to the hardest right politicians (who incidentally are making a full-court press to make child labor legal again) you’ll need to start with voting reform. i would encourage you to formally get involved with an organization like Fairvote to this end.

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              While I do agree that my doomer additude isn’t helpful, I don’t think anything can change. And I also don’t want to sacrifice my life to the cause. People who go against this system end up dead if they are lucky. I’m fine to just complain online.

              I think a third political party that simply ran on always voting no to anything other than clean budgets and debt ceiling hikes would 100% win in the minds of the people. But it wouldn’t take much for tge system to distort and twist even that incredibly basic platform.

              I don’t believe a third party will ever be allowed to become viable in this country. I hate it, but that won’t change it because there is too much “capital” in this for human lives to outweigh it. That is our countries values. Who am I to say that isn’t what the majority want?

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                The reason third parties don’t succeed is because they are often vanity projects with little work done in the “off-season.” For example, the Green Party: sucks thousands of votes away during presidential elections, but is yet to have elected a single person to the House of Representatives.

                If you’re squeamish about supporting an individual candidate, at least get involved in voter protection efforts.