• protist@mander.xyz
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      2 months ago

      That’s quite a fantasy you’re telling yourself. A huge portion of China’s people’s wealth is wrapped up in real estate, and tens of millions of stalled residential units have already been purchased by the Chinese people, and that money is now gone, taken by the developers.

      The IMF recommendation here was “to deploy ‘one-off’ fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers.” That would literally be rescuing the Chinese people who were burned by developers. Instead, the Chinese government is supporting the tech and manufacturing industries. Don’t pretend like China is some paradise where the common people aren’t getting fucked

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        2 months ago

        Oh no! The millionaire is now not a billionaire… And the developer was sentenced to life in prison.

        Anyway…

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        I don’t know enough about this specific situation. But the history of the IMF and World Bank is such that, if they were to put out a statement saying that the sky is blue, I would immediately go and check if it had somehow changed colour.

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        Don’t pretend like the average person in China is a fucking real-estate investor. This investment money is from the middle class and up i.e. people who don’t need to be rescued. They’re going to be fine. Even if their investments all go up in smoke, they won’t be homeless. Common people just spend their paychecks and keep a little aside for savings, like everywhere else in the world.

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          My understanding is many everyday Chinese people bought real estate that wasn’t yet built because demand was so high. Supposedly many of them sunk their whole life savings into units that developers had promised to build at some future point. That point seems unlikely to come if those developers go bankrupt, meaning that some decently large number of everyday people are going to lose their life savings.

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            My understanding is middle class Chinese people bought real estate because they wanted passive income from investing in real-estate. China shouldn’t have allowed them to do that but the solution isn’t to bail out these developers. The actual solution is to make sure these people do not end up destitute because they wasted their money on gambling.

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            That’s call investnent risk that investors bears why should their losses be subsidized via loans on entire taxpayers?

            Ironic how China is more less interventionist than US now where we bail out the owner class every single time

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              Sorry, so the people who saved up to buy a home that couldn’t be built until later due to demand are now investors?

              I don’t think they owned any stock in a company.

              They had contracts for homes, right?

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                Real estate is an asset class just like any other asset that is traded.

                With respect to them giving money unfront for building, they got scammed. It is a criminal matter. But why should other people socialize their bad choices.

                Bail out mechinsm done in the west is the most retarded way to deal with these issues and it creates incentives for owner class to scam taxpayers.

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                  So you are saying anyone who has a mortgage is the “investor class.”

                  Got it. Think we are done here.