• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    If you answered yes to both

    I answered no to both.

    Do you want to give Trump more voters?

    The only argument any centrist has when they move to the right like they all want to.

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      3 months ago

      So you don’t believe they need the popular vote to win and you believe that the Republicans would be better at defending trans rights?

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        3 months ago

        I don’t accept that defending trans SAFETY is a losing election issue.

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          Have you spent any time in right wing spaces, or listened to the new generation describing themselves as “classical liberals”. They’re swing voters and it’s pretty important to them.

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            Have you spent any time in right wing spaces

            Yes, let’s just do everything we can to abandon every last minority centrists consider expendable in order to peel off a total of zero votes from fascists.

            They’re not going to vote for you, no matter how many vulnerable minorities you throw under the bus. You’ve had fucking decades to figure this out, and it looks like you’re just throwing people under the bus because you like the thumping sounds.

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              All powerful me who you can attack rather than try to convince. A microcosm for your general approach of yelling. Your goals and demands, kept vague at best.

              I doubt you even know what you’re asking for.

              There’s a timeline to installing trans rights, it requires adjustments to the Supreme Court.

              But I’m aware that you’re not thinking that far ahead in a planned or tactical manner, and your plans are: be loud, make demands, be radical.

              But you’ve not actually outlined much more than that, so there’s nothing to debate with you.

              Good day, good luck with your imaginary bus, and me as the all powerful deity controlling who gets pushed under.

              No idea what you’re on about unfortunately, but you seem very vocal about whatever it is.

              [Edit: No, I get it, you want to create a polemic against Trump’s obvious lies, treating them as if they’re worth addressing rather than let him melt under the scrutiny of the general population https://i.redd.it/m2pzcfjk77md1.png… But that’s not necessary. Let’s not make his lies into a false balance situation. Just let him look foolish instead.]

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                There’s a timeline to installing trans rights,

                Still settin’ timeframes.

                But I’m aware that you’re not thinking that far ahead in a planned or tactical manner, and your plans are: be loud, make demands, be radical.

                I’m aware that you’re stalling until the party can abandon trans people like it abandoned undocumented immigrants.

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                  I’m not setting timeframes, you literally can’t change Supreme Court judges during an election. You don’t even understand the basics of how rights or the systems involved work.

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                    I’m not setting timeframes, you literally can’t change Supreme Court judges during an election.

                    And until then, we can’t acknowledge openly as a party that trans people are worth protecting. Makes sense.

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          It is when that’s considered woke and you’ve got a ton of your own electors that have been brainwashed into thinking woke bad

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        I believe that the popular vote isn’t sufficient to win, as it wasn’t when Clinton lost with the popular vote.

        I believe Democrats won’t protect trans rights, either.

        You’ve chosen to be dishonest as fuck about my positions.

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          She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

          So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t? Because that was the question.

          Looking at Democrat’s States vs Republican States it’s pretty clear you’re wrong about that second part.

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            She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

            Trump won without it.

            So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t?

            I don’t trust either of them at all on this issue. I think they’re just itching to throw another vulnerable minority under the bus like they did with the undocumented immigrants you’re using Republican talking points about.

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              Republicans do bad thing

              Democrats try but fail to completely stop it

              “Why did Democrats do this bad thing??” - Ensign_Crab

              Every time without fail, it’s a classic

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                How does adopting Republican border policy count as trying and failing to stop Republican policy?

                Oh wait, you don’t care. You’re just happy they moved to the right.

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                    3 months ago

                    If they nominated Trump, you’d expect everyone to believe that he was the most progressive candidate ever.

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              Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED, first past the post still requires popular vote, just not at a national level.

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                Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED

                That wasn’t the question I initially answered, is it?