Ok without devolving to ridicule every message, the point it that just because stuff is made in China, it is not necessarily cheap (as in crappy, low quality or unsafe).
I’d like to know what is unsafe about these cars and whether or not this is a real consideration. So far, all I seem to get is protectionism and platitudes.
This is a nice video which sums it up pretty well, concerning EV’s. Many are coming to the US and EU market too, like BYD is doing now for example. They are growing faster then Tesla, threatening to surpass Tesla sales soon.
There are many articles about Chinese EV’s spontaneously combusting or exploding. And that’s just the EV’s.
There are many products containing extremity toxic materials which are imported anmass through Chinese digital market places like alibaba etc, but also as parts for American produced products. Products like cheap 3D printer filament, children toys, car parts, metals, food (with pesticides), etc. It’s hard to check everything, it’s hard to regulate everything, especially when loads of it is produced in a country where there is little to no regulations but instead loads of corruption. It’s imported by hundreds of thousands of shipping containers per day. Sure, some products are fine. But there are many which are toxic and sometimes deadly and we often find out about it way too late. Regulating takes time. China finds loopholes. It’s standard operating procedures.
Yea I agree with so much of what you are saying, China gets a pass to distribute cheap dangerous crap cause at least it was cheaper for the middle man selling it.
But also:
Tariffs don’t make them ok, but invisible. For instance, phones are produced in China for 95%. Then they are shipped to Vietnam, finished to 100% and shipped to the US without the China tariffs. Whatever happened in China during the 95% is unregulated and unregistered. Whenever it is shipped from China directly there are regulations for the construction of parts and the materials used. But already finished parts without this info which are imported from somewhere else can miss this info, like the 95% phones shipped to Vietnam have. Vietnam needs to declare whatever they used for the 5% for the regulations and the other 95% is declared as a pre-made product. This is how toxic materials are able to enter the western markets without anyone knowing it and how China tariffs only help covering up the use of toxins by shipping goods through hubs in other countries and the production of products without any safety regulation resulting in exploding batteries for example. And for food products to be unknowingly covered with highly toxic pesticides. Don’t underestimate the corruption in China, it’s like the US x2.
Oh and the video is just a yt vid, I know, but he has a lot of Chinese sources as he lived there for several years and he nicely sums up all the articles I’ve read about this all so far. He uncovers a lot of corruption which the Chinese government desperately tries to hide. I’ve seen different sources backing him up.
Ok but then we accept anything Chinese made with all the likely human rights abuse, environmental issues, corruption, as long as some American company can act as middle man and take a piece of the pie?
Cheapest production, biggest profits. Yeah. But it’s not necessarily the American company responsible for buying cheap junk. Chinese companies love to get the profits by cheaping out on build material while upselling it as quality products. It’s hard to Check the entire production line and it’s resources as they often come from many different places and there’s barily any quality control within the Chinese factories and it’s supply routes. You don’t know whether they may have cheaped out on one expensive resource by replacing it with a cheap toxic alternative.
There’s a European quality check for products, the CE logo which stands for “conformité européenne” meaning "European conformity"on commercial products indicates that the manufacturer or importer affirms the goods’ conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards.
China created an identical looking logo meaning Chinese Exports so they can bypass the EU regulations and use toxins instead of safe resources. It has the logo so people believe it went through the EU checks required to be allowed to use the logo on the product. Instead they add the logo without any quality control as it’s basically a different, yet identical looking logo. This is how China operates.
I believe everything you claim but my question remains… how does American companies, whose entire (or practically entire) production is manufactured in China, avoid those pitfalls?
Most American companies are not known for reinforcing and over engineering their products, the same cheapening out in materials and corner cutting strategies are applied in North America all the time.
but my question remains… how does American companies, whose entire (or practically entire) production is manufactured in China, avoid those pitfalls?
Good question. Who knows. Maybe have more expensive production in other countries then China, or raw resource import and produce the products yourself. But this is cutting very deep in profits, maybe even impossible as the competition will be a cheaper option for the consumer.
the same cheapening out in materials and corner cutting strategies are applied in North America all the time.
May be so, but within the US there are regulations which are (or should be) checked. There are federal bureaus tasked with this. Doesn’t change the fact that many regulations are weird, some non-existant due to loopholes and many regulations are laughable at best compared to EU regulations. But still it’s way better then any unregulated stuff from China, or regulated stuff from China but the guy doing the checks got bribed.
Ok without devolving to ridicule every message, the point it that just because stuff is made in China, it is not necessarily cheap (as in crappy, low quality or unsafe).
I’d like to know what is unsafe about these cars and whether or not this is a real consideration. So far, all I seem to get is protectionism and platitudes.
This is a nice video which sums it up pretty well, concerning EV’s. Many are coming to the US and EU market too, like BYD is doing now for example. They are growing faster then Tesla, threatening to surpass Tesla sales soon.
There are many articles about Chinese EV’s spontaneously combusting or exploding. And that’s just the EV’s.
There are many products containing extremity toxic materials which are imported anmass through Chinese digital market places like alibaba etc, but also as parts for American produced products. Products like cheap 3D printer filament, children toys, car parts, metals, food (with pesticides), etc. It’s hard to check everything, it’s hard to regulate everything, especially when loads of it is produced in a country where there is little to no regulations but instead loads of corruption. It’s imported by hundreds of thousands of shipping containers per day. Sure, some products are fine. But there are many which are toxic and sometimes deadly and we often find out about it way too late. Regulating takes time. China finds loopholes. It’s standard operating procedures.
Yea I agree with so much of what you are saying, China gets a pass to distribute cheap dangerous crap cause at least it was cheaper for the middle man selling it.
But also:
Enmasse its another French loan word.
But then, how tariffs make all those dangers OK?
PS: sorry but the video is just some Vlogger rant with no evidence presented.
Tariffs don’t make them ok, but invisible. For instance, phones are produced in China for 95%. Then they are shipped to Vietnam, finished to 100% and shipped to the US without the China tariffs. Whatever happened in China during the 95% is unregulated and unregistered. Whenever it is shipped from China directly there are regulations for the construction of parts and the materials used. But already finished parts without this info which are imported from somewhere else can miss this info, like the 95% phones shipped to Vietnam have. Vietnam needs to declare whatever they used for the 5% for the regulations and the other 95% is declared as a pre-made product. This is how toxic materials are able to enter the western markets without anyone knowing it and how China tariffs only help covering up the use of toxins by shipping goods through hubs in other countries and the production of products without any safety regulation resulting in exploding batteries for example. And for food products to be unknowingly covered with highly toxic pesticides. Don’t underestimate the corruption in China, it’s like the US x2.
Oh and the video is just a yt vid, I know, but he has a lot of Chinese sources as he lived there for several years and he nicely sums up all the articles I’ve read about this all so far. He uncovers a lot of corruption which the Chinese government desperately tries to hide. I’ve seen different sources backing him up.
Ok but then we accept anything Chinese made with all the likely human rights abuse, environmental issues, corruption, as long as some American company can act as middle man and take a piece of the pie?
Cheapest production, biggest profits. Yeah. But it’s not necessarily the American company responsible for buying cheap junk. Chinese companies love to get the profits by cheaping out on build material while upselling it as quality products. It’s hard to Check the entire production line and it’s resources as they often come from many different places and there’s barily any quality control within the Chinese factories and it’s supply routes. You don’t know whether they may have cheaped out on one expensive resource by replacing it with a cheap toxic alternative.
There’s a European quality check for products, the CE logo which stands for “conformité européenne” meaning "European conformity"on commercial products indicates that the manufacturer or importer affirms the goods’ conformity with European health, safety, and environmental protection standards.
China created an identical looking logo meaning Chinese Exports so they can bypass the EU regulations and use toxins instead of safe resources. It has the logo so people believe it went through the EU checks required to be allowed to use the logo on the product. Instead they add the logo without any quality control as it’s basically a different, yet identical looking logo. This is how China operates.
I believe everything you claim but my question remains… how does American companies, whose entire (or practically entire) production is manufactured in China, avoid those pitfalls?
Most American companies are not known for reinforcing and over engineering their products, the same cheapening out in materials and corner cutting strategies are applied in North America all the time.
Good question. Who knows. Maybe have more expensive production in other countries then China, or raw resource import and produce the products yourself. But this is cutting very deep in profits, maybe even impossible as the competition will be a cheaper option for the consumer.
May be so, but within the US there are regulations which are (or should be) checked. There are federal bureaus tasked with this. Doesn’t change the fact that many regulations are weird, some non-existant due to loopholes and many regulations are laughable at best compared to EU regulations. But still it’s way better then any unregulated stuff from China, or regulated stuff from China but the guy doing the checks got bribed.