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I’m sure that they don’t have an economic agreement with that fake up votes website
Donnie did an AMA on reddit except it was a
hugeyuge disaster because he couldn’t comprehend that it wasn’t twitter and all his replies got buried hahaIsn’t that what got the crow guy perma-ip-banned?
Ip bans are incredibly ineffective though. You just get a new IP from your isp
Depends on ISP.
If IPv4 ban, it is indeed 100% ineffective. Nearly all ISPs either CGNAT or rotate addresses. If IPv6, the ISP just forwards a 64 bit block and leaves it at that. You must call and request a new IP block. In which case you’ll be told yes or no. If yes, it’s either free or paid.
I know with ATT Fiber, they don’t offer address changes unless there is some security or service interruption reason. You have to unplug the modem for 30+ days so the lease expires if you don’t want to do rounds with support. My IPv4 address has changed once, but my IPv6 address block has never changed.
With my “new” ISP, I gave up running my DDNS updater on my home server. It’s been years and the IPv4 address still hasn’t changed…
Why do I have a feeling this person has a vested financial interest in one of those upvote buying farms.
Reddit was taken over by the right wing a long time ago. This person is out of the loop
I get the feeling that the Admins and management are pretty right leaning, but the mods and users are left.
The mods of the main subs have been getting progressively more right wing. And I consider the mainstream of the democrats right wing.
They’re not MAGA but they’re basically moderate repubicans these days. And that is what has taken over the main subreddits.
It depends heavily on what sub you’re in for the mods and users,
But yes, the admin team is very right leaning.
True. r/conservative certainly isn’t left.
I meant mods are left leaning on average.
its definitely not election interference guys, trust me, it’s definitely not election interference.
Hey, remember what happened to Digg? Why a bunch of people moved over to Reddit in the first place?
I guess not a lot of people remember, so let me tell you.
Bunch of dipshits ran upvote brigades. Stories they didn’t like got buried really fast.
Now, Digg was a hive mind site to begin with - good luck posting anything the hive mind didn’t care about. But add blatant political machinations on top of that, and the site got unusable real fast.
Take a few guesses which political views those groups were trying to futilely promote while quashing opponents. Go on. (I’ll give a hint, some of them retreated to Conservapedia)
So that’s what killed Digg. …that, and the Digg admins were being dicks and the site redesign sucked ass. (…insert comparison to modern Reddit here)
That’s only part of what killed Digg. The final nail in the coffin was when they redesigned the website to give power users even more power to control the front page than they already had.
Those who don’t learn history are doomed to repeat it. Thanks for the quick lesson
But conservatives want to repeat history.
Just not the good parts.
cause everyone knows if conservative replies get upvoted enough people who hate Trump will have a sudden change of heart. Is this guy in the upvote for money business or what?
I remember, back in 2016, when the /r/The_Donald website just used a bunch of bots and other fake accounts to juice their content to the front page week after week.
And then the Mods tweaked the algorithm so you wouldn’t have a wall of Trump memes on the front page every day. /r/The_Donald folks spilled into other sites and started repeating the strategy, so Mods had to tweak the algorithm again. And there was this back and forth that dragged all the way into the general election, at which point the Admins finally decided to ban the sub. But they also had to ban a slew of leftist subs, to make things fair.
And now we have Hexbear, a site composed of purged Reddit-fuges. But Reddit is still full of Trumpies, for some curious reason.
But Reddit is still full of Trumpies, for some curious reason.
It’s because conservative voices are being silenced!
Probably a scam, but congrats on discovering the Russian disinformation strategy from 2016.
Not exactly a scam. I still browse Reddit, and the Jordan Peterson Memes sub has been popping up in Popular for a few weeks, it had been a completely obscure sub before. The posts are ALL about US politics too…on a meme sub for a Canadian ‘life coach’
That’s because Jordan Peterson is one of the entry points to the alt-right rabbit hole. Despite being from Canada, his brand of grift is intricately tied to U.S. politics. If you have a very short amount of time, some people have put together some very short videos talking about Peterson:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIK-x5uT6oS9EnO9-D6ePsWKOxtFhDZdF
Oh I’m definitely aware. The fact that some anti-woke content appears on the sub isn’t unexpected. The fact that it’s largely US political content is just a blatant display of meddling.
Ender’s Game was prescient text, regardless of Orson Scott Card’s personal beliefs.
Locke and Demosthenes are now armies of manipulative bots (but often real humans), shaping political discourse throughout the world. The Internet gave mind control powers to people with money, ambition, or both. We saw it with the Bernie Sanders and Trump movements in 2016 on Reddit, all too clearly for those who lived through an era where bullshit detection was a critical skill.
I was once fairly defeatist on this subject: the bad guys won, got Trump elected, and kicked off a new era of 80s conservatism that demonized progressive values like environmental conservation, freedom of choice in a number of matters, and equality.
But now, I’m starting to see young people stand up to their boomer relatives at Thanksgiving and bring facts and logic to social media discussions. And I have regained some hope that we will once again find a way to make the progressive “line go up“. Our society seems to swing like a pendulum between the right and left, over decades, and it feels like the Trump era was a swing too violent for most of us. It’s time to swing back.
Didn’t Clinton spend $40m on shareblue forum sliding?
the Russian disinformation strategy
I’ll never understand why people attribute to the Russian government what was in the obvious best-interests of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.
If you asked who owns and operates the FOX News Channel, or Sinclair Media, or Clear Channel Radio, or any of the other dozen right-wing propaganda projects, I have to wonder how many people would reflexively insist “Russia” despite all of the money spilling in from the UK, Australia, Canada, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and the O&G Industry.
I’ll never understand why people attribute to the Russian government what was in the obvious best-interests of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.
Maybe because there was a demonstrated and provable coordinated effort by the Russian government in the 2016 election to get Trump elected? Look up project lakhta. Russian election interference and the efforts of the domestic conservative movement can (and do) exist simultaneously.
What do you have against attributing to the Russian government actions that are demonstrably attributable to the Russian government?
I’ll be real, I have my suspicions regarding that whole scandal in 2016 because following the election there were like 2-3 days of quiet introspection by the Dems and then they aligned on “the Russians were pushing fake news that tricked everyone!”
My pet conspiracy theory is that it was already known within the political campaigns that these misinformation campaigns were happening and they chose to at that point publicize them and use that as their scapegoat. Same with the Russian spies they publicly outed that trump spoke with.
My pet conspiracy theory is that it was already known within the political campaigns that these misinformation campaigns were happening and they chose to at that point publicize them and use that as their scapegoat. Same with the Russian spies they publicly outed that trump spoke with.
Your framing is off. It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s true that it was already known. The FBI investigation of Russian interference began before the election, not after. The investigation was being publicized before the election.
If you want to nurse a conspiracy theory about it, whatever. But you’re going to appear ignorant when you advance a conspiracy theory without doing the bare minimum of research into the known facts. You’re just creating a fictional narrative based on your “suspicions.” You’re not being “real.” You’re being ignorant.
I called it a conspiracy theory because it’s really just based purely off of observation and gut instinct and not facts. Good to know my gut instinct happened to be right though!
Your takeaway from my reply is that your instinct was correct? You’re going to make a great conspiracy theorist.
Meh my “conspiracy theories” just aren’t exciting enough because they tend to be too grounded in things that are actually likely in the real world and explaining weirdness in what is presented to the public with a guess as to what happened behind the scenes, like that the sonic movie was a joke pitch that somehow got greenlit so then they had to actually make the movie and to try to make it decent
Their values are aligned, theirs strategies are aligned, and so their efforts are aligned.
Because there have been literal articles and reports by the FBI that Russian interference in social media has been a thing since the 2016 election cycle.
That’s why it’s been attributed to the Russian government. Because the Russian government actually did a ton of stuff.
They were at it at least a year before the 2016 election cycle. I believe it was the CIA that said Russia was the one that created the Jade Helm scare in 2015 through social media influence.
Jade Helm was the name of a training operation of the US military in central TX near Temple. The Russians created a bunch of posts claiming that Obama was taking over local Walmarts and emptying them of all merchandise to use as prisoners for his political opponents. They even drew diagrams of the insides of the stores with the holding cells and everything. So great was the Russian influence that Abbott (who is still Governor of TX) ordered the TX National Guard to watch the training exercise and make sure that the US military wasn’t storming homes and taking prisoners.
there have been literal articles and reports by the FBI that Russian interference
There have been literal articles and reports by the FBI of domestic white nationalist organizing and domestic financing. Significantly more money and manpower is documented as entirely domestically organized, although a sizeable amount is moving between NATO and other Five Eyes states. We’re talking on the scale of tens of billions moving between domestic financiers - like the Mercers, Thiel, the Kochs, etc - and domestic fascist media/organizing. That dwarfs Russian state interventions. Its orders of magnitude different.
That’s why it’s been attributed to the Russian government.
Why do you search for the speck in your neighbor’s eye when you have a plank within your own?
I’m not terribly against stealing money from maga dumb idiots with too much money.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority using money and shitty practices…how very GOP of them.
Subvert the will and desires of the majority
Come on, dude. This is Reddit, not a vote in parliament. The site’s entire business model revolves around astroturfing.
That’s pretty much US politics summed up, isn’t it? Ignore what they people say and throw money into it to get what you want.
Yep, it’s the same formula for commercials and fliers you see. Just on Reddit, they have to prep to fight back because people can actively voice their opinions where billboards/fliers/commercials, they don’t have to deal with that.
Is that "Truth Social"😂?
Remembering it’s an isolated Mastodon instance is hilarious and ironic.
I can’t believe that I’m hearing about this for the first time.
it is also a crime!
yes it is
Does anyone else feel like setting up a scam site that claims to sell upvotes, and donates all the profit to the Harris/Walz campaign?
Won’t last long unless the votes actually come in.
Can’t do a chargeback on bitcoin.
That’ll work a few times
“The libs are TOO FERVENT and keep downvoting us! Donate more!!!”
That’s why you tell them to only post on subs that are already a chud circle jerk like here. They upvote him and you take the money. If they don’t just say the libs have a downvotes bot focused on only them and you need more money to DDOS it for Trump. They will appreciate how important they are. Like any scam, the end goal is to find egotistical idiots and this is rich soil.
