Great, now we’re not going to catch the next zero day compression vulnerability. :)
ITT: people upset claiming Torvalds is political getting all political on a post about kernel improvements.
I’m OOTL. Why are people upset with Torvalds?
He followed legal advice from lawyers and removed some russians from being kernel maintainers to comply with sanctions.
He went beyond that. “As a Finn, do you really expect me to up in arms to support the Russians…”
Bravo, slow-clap.
People are more mad about how he did it rather than just the action he took. If he just explained why without being a prick nobody would care.
“Without being a prick” Dawg being a prick is his primary way communication, power to him
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No, I also found the way he handled it really distasteful. Even before his response, just generally the way the whole thing was attempted under a veil wasn’t great. The actions taken should have been transparent from the start.
I do agree that it shouldn’t be polluting this thread like this though.
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What is the point of this comment? Linus was childish as hell in the email chain and started a bunch of drama for literally no reason. I’m not mad as much as I am embarrassed to be a part of the Linux community when things like this happen.
We have to face is Linus might be good intentionned but his years on the internet have made him an remorseless abrasive juvenile dickhead. I wish he’d lampshade it because most of the tine he comes off as just a nasty arogant goblin. It’s clear he feels permitted for his accomplishment and hard work to take his frustrations on others and it’s clear he knows it’s really not fucking helping but it seems he simply can’t help himself. Like being nice is a sign of weakness.
Only those with ties to Russian Government? like govt jobs etc? or all?
Yes, only those with ties to the war, e.g. people who work for companies that develop software used on Russian drones.
But people are angry that this wasn’t explained from the beginning.
How would you even know what ties a person has when the problem is government level security. Besides, Russia doesn’t exactly work on government payrolls anyway, it’s more about working in subsidiary companies owned by the oligarchs who are able to skirt the law effectively becoming the government in the process. It’s totally foreign to Western style government, there is nothing like it in the world
He took the authorization for a bunch of Russians from being able to keep working on the Linux stuff. I’m def not remembering everything and I’d suggest you searching any news about it, it’s an interesting read
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Sometimes it is pleasant to defederate from an instance, especially if nothing of value is lost.
It sucks that it overshadows the actual news.
On the plus side, this post serves as a wonderful tool to clean up some garbage users/servers.
Ingl, the amount of dislikes made me grunt a little
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More like a shitton of people with no knowledge about who actually worked on this patch erecting a personality cult around their new NATO hero.
Someone just removed many lifetimes of CO2 emissions with a couple of lines of code.
Shame that usage will just expand to fill the gap. Thanks late stage capitalism. Degrowth.
Exactly, this is known as the Jevons paradox
Thanks, got a new term today.
Wasn’t expecting this under a random unrelated post. A very welcome comment nonetheless.
Never forget that the exponential boom of renewable energy tech the last 20 years has entirely served as additional energy, not as replacement of fossil fuels.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox.
Edit: the other comment below mentioning this did not load initially…Source?
In the EU at least this is demonstrably false. LNG has slightly risen since 2000 but other fossil fuels (namely coal) have gone way down. Total consumption has been steadily declining in the past few years and is down to 2004 levels. So overall our electricity is a whole shitload cleaner.
The story is even starker for domestic heating. Gas and coal are vanishing since the mid-2000s.
Why would you assume I am talking about Europe which accounts for 1/10 of the global energy consumption and why would I be talking the continent that has mostly outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries? Why would you assume this?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-primary-energy?time=2000..latest
Here’s your source. Here’s your total energy consumption. It couldn’t have been that hard to look at our world in data right? How can you be so absolutely wrong about data in plain sight while being confident about it? Do you have an agenda?
Oh god, I forgot you .ml fuckmuppets are incapable of maintaining a civil tone.
Europe is a single market. While it does import goods from elsewhere (namely Asia), from what I remember that does not nearly make up for the overall downwards trend of consumption & emissions.
Developing countries are increasing their emissions as they increase their purchasing power. While there is certainly a debate to be held over the details of that, I do not see how that invalidates my point that renewables don’t just serve to increase overall power consumption.
However if you’re thinking of replying with the same lip you just gave me I suggest instead of responding to my comment, you take your teenage attitude and shove it somewhere the sun don’t shine.
My “attitude” in no way excuses the very offensive remarks on your part, but I guess that’s what happens when you try to defend undefendable claims. You jump from claim to claim, when you are proven wrong, like how you edited out the part where you claim the European trend can be extrapolated to the entire world and you personally attack me with the excuse that I was taken aback by the ignorance on a straightforward Google search.
From what you remember (from where? That’s a good question I guess no one will ever answer us apparently)that does not make up for the overall downwards trend of consumption and emissions. Ok let’s deconstruct that quickly. Consumption has not been decreasing, it has been increasing, proven by the ever rising GDP, which measures exactly that, the total output of goods and services and considering the imports and exports are roughly equal for Europe and that material consumption is coupled to gdp, that’s the consumption.
When I say that Europe has outsourced its heavy industry to third world countries, I wasn’t talking just about “importing goods”. I was talking about their entire production. And the fact that fossil fuel consumption is still ever growing in Europe as well as in the entire West, coupled to the GDP growth is proven in Hickel(2019) “Is green growth possible”, where the domestic material consumption index is proven not to be accounting for the outsourced fossil fuels and materials consumed in third world countries to produce the goods imported, vital for Europe. The actual material footprint(which is the fossil fuel consumption and materials combined) is growing along with the GDP. And when you understand this, you realize it is all an illusion of accounting.
These are your two tragically false claims. For the third paragraph I don’t have much to say besides that third world countries need to increase their GDP to be living comfortably since they are destitute and the first world countries need to degrow like we said. Scientists have been saying this for so many years. There is a space between planetary boundaries and the decent living conditions that all people can and should be living in. The west exceeds the planetary limits(per capita), the economic south is below decent living conditions. That’s what degrowth preaches. It refers to the west, not the world in general.
20 years ago there were 2000000000 fewer people in the world.
Unexpected but entirely welcome.
People do forget this all too often.
Cheaper stuff, use more , value less.
The discussion on LKML was so civilised compared to this one.
I wonder what the phoronix one is like…LKML and patch: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=0fc810ae3ae110f9e2fcccce80fc8c8d62f97907
He cites his work as being a variant of a patch submitted by another developer, Josh Poimboeuf. It’s a team effort folks :)
Yeah, one man did hours of profiling and the other made the patch more elegant lol
Kind of like the butcher who got his hands dirty cutting a steak and then a Michelin star chef cooking it for you.
One got his hands bloody. The other made it delectable for you to eat.
Which is more important to the process?
Damn, those are not rookie numbers!
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I was expecting down votes, but the comment removed? It was a joke. Lol (see? A joke)
I don’t remember what the comment was. I just embed images so people don’t have to go to imgur or tenor websites
I heard the mods are biased here.
Guess the claim of bias is pretty accurate 🤣
It’s all good, I’m used to the oversensitive type.
Have a great weekend.
The Mossad backdoor optimization finally got through.
LMAO
Still not saying it’s any good after he became geopolitical.
This has to be a record for the most downvoted comment on Lemmy, holy moly. This is a huge absolute margin even for reddit.
Well I am the most controversial Lemmy user. That was expected after getting a lot of upvotes.
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Literally required to do it by law of sanctions
He would only escape if he was a presidential candidate or a multi billionaire.
Since he is neither and he works on US soil, then the law came after him. You would cave in, if in similar circumstances.
I already explained my point about it. A lot of companies rebased themselves when political issues occured. The Linux Foundation could easily do that. It’s just racism.
“A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.
I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.
Counter argument: The maintainers could “easily” relocate to a country that is not currently conducting an invasion to enlarge its territory.
As I understand it was employer-based ban, not country-based.
Usually uprooting your life and moving to another country implies a job change. At least that’s how I read the comment.
Maintainer of Baikal SoCs not employed by Baikal sounds tough to find.
Ok this one is actually decent.
Sanctions against a country/nation that is attacking another sovereign nation are not “racist”. Russia could easily stop their war to start getting rid of the sanctions.
It depends, though. There are western and other countries invading and much worse, but there are no sanctions. It could be racism, interests or both that only a certain country is targeted with sanctions.
Then other countries should make sanctions on the US where it masters to them to do so.
Neither Russian nor Western are a race.
You’re right. Racism here should be replaced with hate against a nation.
There should be sanctions on every country invading. Its not rocket science. It’s crazy to say that russia is being sanctioned for racist reasons. They are literally attacking an European nation. Makes sense that other European countries sanction them, no?
Yes, there should be sanctions against any country doing that and worse. But there aren’t. Why not? I see a lot of downvotes and no explanations. As per Europe, aren’t we talking mostly about US, since Linux is trying to follow their sanctions? Also even Europe is divided about who the enemy is, like pesky Hungary.
One country cozying up to Putin is hardly a reason to call the entire EU divided
Lol sanctions and racism are different. My argument about relocating destroys yours.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where? Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.
Why would they relocate? To keep a few Russian maintainers? Because not relocating is “racist”? Not sure what you mean, just trying to guess.
Sorry that was such a bad argument that I did not even consider it being one.
Savage truth.
So your argument is that Linux foundation should relocate to… where?
Somewhere stable and neutral like Switzerland or some island. I’m not a lawyer so can’t say which country is the best for it.
Because not relocating is “racist”?
To some extent, yes.
Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.
“Russian” is not a race. And Finland has a history with Russia that isn’t easily forgotten. That is to say, every Finn I’ve spoken to hates Russia for invading Finland… Twice…
Finland isn’t even the only neighbour that hates Russia. At some point one has to wonder why so many of Russia’s neighbours hate, or at the very least don’t feel comfortable with, Russia.
Maybe, just maybe, the reason why everyone is having issues with Russia is Russia’s own damn fault.
…it’s not. It is stupid, it stalls mainlining of Baikal, but it is not a racism.
It’s not racism. They have to follow the LAW.
Do they? They could have just isolated those commits as sanctioned and added a warning. Linux hates Russians as a Finn, so didn’t need much convincing to remove them.
I would be singing a different tune if our allies invading other countries at the moment were also sanctioned, but that’s not the case.
As it stands, let the individuals escape the nation state punishment. They didn’t start this war, and likely don’t support it.
Rationally speaking, the whole purpose of sanctions is to sanction the whole population of the country in order to get the government of the country to change it’s policies. And when it comes to sanctions, companies and entities doing business with the sanctioned countries are themselves sanctioned. So Linus had no choice but to remove the Russian contributors.
We’re talking about a real situation, not about what would be better.
Sanctions have effect precisely because they are a broad tool.
Of course that’s how sanctions work… against nations. Linux isn’t a country, it’s not an American asset. They could have resisted. Linus chose not to.
Ok buddy
They are bound by USA sanction law, moving to another NATO country would be same sanctions against Russia
I honestly don’t remember saying anything about NATO.
So your advice is basically “come on, guys, you can resist russian aggression in ways that don’t involve conflict, stop the sanctions and side with Russia pls”?
No. As the instigator of this conflict, Russia can back the fuck down.
At this point I’m sure you’re just trolling. I fully support sanctions against Russia but not against Russian people unless they were officially proven to actively support the war, especially if their actions don’t result in income to Russian Federation in taxes. I think I made it clear.
Also Linus supports US’s terroristic acts and invasions by paying taxes to the country so it’s not necessarily any better.
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alright, chill
Huh?
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They’re an .ml, so yeah, exactly
It certainly looks that way.
LMAO they removed my comment
It certainly looks that way.
Had a stroll through his profile and he’s clearly only here to troll.
Apparently tankies on Lemmy don’t like Linux any more after some Russian contributors were removed from the maintainers list.
The contributors were removed because they or their employers (or maybe ex-employers) appeared on the US list of Specially Designated Nationals (SDN). It is illegal for Americans such as Linus Torvalds to conduct business with entities that appear on that list.
Redditors can’t help themselves but be racist against russians.
Are you lost? This is not reddit. Also, Russia could stop attacking an european nation to gain some respect back. But they won’t. Instead they threaten everyone with nukes daily and cry why nobody likes them.
Redditors are garbage, to paraphrase the POTUS.
They’re crying about the removal of Russians for being a security threat to the project, when they should be directing their hate at the psychopathic megalomaniac.
You think open source project maintainers should move to different countries because of temporary sanctions? What if they have a wife with a job and kids in school? Or delicate Lego collections that are impossible to pack? Or a side-piece?
Take issue with the sanctions if you want but don’t take issue with people who don’t want to move their family, LEGO collections, and side-pieces.
There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?
This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.
Move physically? Of course not. If it’s required to register the foundation, they could ask a maintainer from the country to register it. It’s not the cleanest of schemes but it should work. Though if Linus lives in the US now, it can still cause issues because US law system has been proven to not work and they could easily arrest him illegally if they wanted to. However in this case it’s the same as living in Russia. Both countries are terroristic.
You can disagree with the law if you want, but breaking the law (sanctions) and being arrested is a legal arrest.
I have tons of issues with the US legal system, but I don’t pretend like everything I agree with is legal and everything I disagree with is illegal. That would be moronic.
He is a finn, what do you expect from him? I fully support his position
Well, when you put it like that, I expect him to join the Israeli death squads “out of pragmatism”
So you’re a russophobe as well?
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Yes, all of the people who initially used the software and tested it before you are the people who already moved away from Reddit for ethical reasons, not because of the API catastrophe. We are more likely to be on the older instances, not the Reddit instances. Lemmy.ml users tend to be far more politically aware of how propaganda works and avoidant of US interference. New instance users like to cheerlead the US exactly like reddit does.
Wherever there’s Americans, there’s fascists. Their media is so xenophobic all the time they think not calling for concentration camps for Mexicans is all it takes to not be racist. Can’t believe it’s not just acceptable, but popular to act like Finland has any right to be xenophobic against Russians.
“But the war”, yeah, check again when the winter war was and what exactly Finland wanted to achieve. Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
The Finnish winter war is harrowing to read about, especially the effects on their history departments. They are all completely devoted to whitewashing Nazis. If you haven’t read Tepora’s Finnish Civil War 1918 History Memory Legacy I recommend finding the time.
And yes it’s ridiculous. Not calling for EVEN MORE concentration camps for Mexicans while still maintaining the current border system impresses them.
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