Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador on Monday called for an end to the "irrational" war in Ukraine, urging upcoming peace talks in the Middle East to include representation from both Ukraine and Russia.
  • Ooops@kbin.social
    4812·
    1 year ago

    Well… he isn’t wrong. It is indeed completely irrational to fight 17 months, lose hundred thousand+ soldiers, most of your somewhat modern equipment and damage your economy for decades to come while proving to be incapable of even remotely reaching the goals set for just a 3-day-long invasion. And Russia should finally pack up, go home and end this shit show.

    And now let’s wait for his brilliant plan to actually get Russia to wake up from their insane fever dream and delusion of grandeur… That is his plan, isn’t it? *cough*

    • edward@lemmy.ml
      1136·
      1 year ago

      The only person who said 3 days was some random US general, why are y’all using it as some sort of gotcha?

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        237·
        1 year ago

        You have to move the goalposts further than even Putin has, in order to come up with the conclusion that Russia is winning the conflict.

          • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
            233·
            1 year ago

            As someone who largely agrees with the content of what you have to say, your delivery is absolutely disgusting. You litter every comment with personal attacks, insults, and are needlessly offensive. I genuinely don’t know if you think that aggression helps get your point across, but it doesn’t. And, considering how many of your comments get removed by mods for that insult and disrespect, you should realize that even if you personally think it’s constructive, the mods don’t. If you think the content of your comments is valuable, don’t you think it’d have more value if it is left up for others to see, instead of having it removed where nobody can learn from it? If you resort to this namecalling and aggression so much, and the comments get removed, they’re of no value. As an outside observer, by reading your comments, I’m less likely to trust what you have to say, and instead would assume you have a set agenda that you won’t stray from. Your behavior detracts from your trustworthiness.

      • fiat_lux@kbin.social
        172·
        1 year ago

        Are they? It’s difficult for me to tell given I have a language barrier and the vast majority of English-language information is obviously supportive of Ukraine. From what I have understood, it seems that Russia has gained a modest amount of land at significant cost in terms of human lives and internal political stability.

        But I am also unsure how much I hear about the civil discontent is reflective of the actual Russian situation, beyond average pacifist sentiment. “Their society is in turmoil!” sorts of stories have been used in past conflicts to keep up public support for wars by making it sound like victory is around the corner.

        Discriminating signal from noise in war media requires really active constant effort that I just can’t maintain long term when there are so many conflicts. As much as I want to. I also think the whole thing has been lose-lose for people and the environment, but that’s another topic altogether.

          • fiat_lux@kbin.social
            113·
            1 year ago

            Thanks, this seems like a sensible analysis that also accords with my knowledge of the situation prior to the current fighting. The conclusions drawn reflect the outcomes we have seen from other recent internationally-backed conflicts, which makes sense.

            As always, the losers are the people who live inside the actual disputed territory, regardless of their background or political affiliations. It won’t be Putin’s or Zelenskyy’s children who step on the landmines long after the shooting stops. No matter how many countries say they commit to remove them.

  • SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de
    4315·
    1 year ago

    Hey Andres, if the USA would invade and annex the Yucatán Peninsula (Cancún) how would you feel if some country on the other side of the world ask you to stop the fight and just talk to the USA? … yeah, right.

    • masterairmagic@sh.itjust.works
      811·
      1 year ago

      Yucatán doesn’t have Americans living in it.

      In fact America did invade and annex parts of Mexico. Why do you think half of California has Spanish names?

      • DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml
        86·
        1 year ago

        Oh man wait until you hear about China starting a territory dispute with India, Japan, the Philippines, and building artificial islands to try and claim more territory!

        What dumb fucking country tries to start a land war with THE ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH A COMPARABLE POPULATION?

  • Fuck Yankies@lemmy.ml
    277·
    1 year ago

    Uh, yeah, the thing about that? Russia wants concessions Ukraine will not give. It would also embolden the Duma and quite frankly they deserve all the L’s they can get.

          • Finn@lemm.ee
            99·
            1 year ago

            NATO’s role is complex, but blaming it solely for Russia’s actions oversimplifies a multifaceted issue. Don’t ignore Russia’s own choices and aggression.

              • Fuck Yankies@lemmy.ml
                43·
                1 year ago

                That is of course the excuse Putin wants everyone to swallow, but no matter how bad NATO has been and how that whole paradigm probably should be reimagined, one cannot ignore the decades of reporting, first hand accounts and witnesses of what’s going on in the various oblasts and republics of Russia, and I’m not just talking about Siberia.

                It’s this idea that all westerners are stupid and disconnected enough to not know, but we have ex-pat Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Polish, etc, etc.

                This was never about NATO. That is a scapegoat. It is the resurgence of Russian emperialism, the classic KGB subversion and purile egomanic vanity. If they wanted Ukraine away from NATO, they could’ve instead relied on soft diplomacy and probably even have gotten there. This was as all about taking sovereign territory from another nation state for strategic purposes, by any means necessary.

                Now consider Ukrainians, knowing all this, because again, they are not stupid neither, would they just lay down knowing fully well what will happen to their country?

                Mf, they stay in this - for the survival of their culture and history, because cultural genocide will be just the first in a long line of atrocities that lie in wait if they should lose.

                I put my chips on the Ukrainians, even that they become one of these perpetual conflict countries. But hopefully not. Hopefully they’ll take back the east and also Crimea and maybe even shake up the power dynamics in Russia for the better.

  • xerazal@lemmy.zipEnglish
    125·
    1 year ago

    Then push Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and pay reparations for the damage they’ve done. The only thing irrational about this war is that Russia started it and keeps acting like it’s justified.

  • Pixlbabble@lemm.eeEnglish
    31·
    1 year ago

    YEah I don’t care but diplomacy would be nice. You can’t sell me a war.

  • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
    65·
    1 year ago

    Given Angela Merkel said outloud that minsk negotiations were a delaying tactic, what incentive is there to negotiate?

    A ceasefire would be great. Which is why you don’t use negotiations cynically.