• masterofn001@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    92
    ·
    20 hours ago

    OK, elon, prove it.

    Matthew 19:21,

    Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

    Matthew 19:24,

    “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    • criticon@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      14 hours ago

      “the eye of the needle was a gate in an ancient city and it was difficult but not impossible to get through it carrying stuff”

      Actual stuff “christians” say to justify not following inconvenient parts of the bible

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        9 hours ago

        I’ve never met a teacher who says “doing things this way is extremely hard, but there’s another way that seems harder now but is ultimately easier” and meant anything other than “no seriously do it the second way because you’re just going to fail and be confused if you do it the first way”. Now that’s the generous statement.

        The reality is that there is no archaeological or historical evidence of this particular gate. There is however immense theological evidence that Jesus of Nazareth, in the explicit canon of post Nicene Christianity, routinely demanded those who followed him to give everything in charity to those in need, to share without concern for the self, and to treat their fellow humans with the level of love and care they give themselves. But when someone actually does all that they wind up socially punished and/or sanctified.

      • Taako_Tuesday@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        edit-2
        9 hours ago

        There’s also a theory that the word “camel” in that passage was a mistranslation of a type of rope. IE it’s easier to thread a needle with a full cord of rope than for a rich man to get into heaven. The metaphor still works the same, but now it doesn’t rely on an in joke about one specific gate in Jerusalem.

        Despite the fact that im not christian, I love when jesus preaches against hoarding wealth because they are totally reasonable guidelines for equitable living in a community, and most christians just totally ignore it

        • captainlezbian@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          9 hours ago

          There’s a reason there’s a long history of Christian anarchism and communism. I’m not Christian anymore but I was raised one and it did influence my morality to the left

      • indepndnt@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        10 hours ago

        Can confirm, I remember the pastor explaining that during a sermon one Sunday morning when I was a kid.