no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris’ campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is ‘not trump.’ fuck me.
In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn’t even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something.
We’d still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting
And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you’re focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they’ll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game.
Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters… It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that’s on the high side.
I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is.
Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That’s around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn’t come down to a little more than half no matter who wins.
You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.
The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.
So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.
Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.
You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved.
So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have.
The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners.
It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian.
It was also supported by functional free press.
Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it’s not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s.
Isn’t Canada closer?..
Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature.
Parts with jungle are better than parts without though.
OK, you are right. I just don’t like something about Germany.
Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German.
Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway.
And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible.
Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great.
Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general.
Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family.
Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide.
Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice.
Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation.
Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters.
My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris.
I’d say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote.
No reason to panic. It’s just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you’ve elected people who’ve never followed up on their promises.
I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being “just an imperfect democracy” and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis.
Most of us can, and are also stunned by the dunbass other half of the population
*Slightly less than half
mostof us can, and are stunned by the dumbass other half of the population FTFYRoughly 1/3 of the voting age population.
About 1/3rd of the voting age population do not vote.
We’re outnumbered 2:1
Your math assumes 100% of the population votes.
…as was the case in 1933 Germany…
Sure but a lot didn’t care. Less voters this time Trump votes stayed steady so. Lots of people who voted Biden where ok with Trump getting in.
clearly it’s more than half…
It’s not though. Voting is not mandatory and voter turnout in the US hovers only around 35-40% of the eligible population, on the high side.
The non-voters are also dumb.
Hey, that’ll get them to vote!
A little late now.
Yeah too bad i havent spent the last 2 months getting people to see reason and shift harris. Sigh.
Sorry it’s your fault you weren’t able to quell their every objection despite how unreasonable they may have been.
If a random comment on Lemmy would get a non-voter to vote or not vote then they’re pretty weak willed. Not voting should be a conscious decision.
no but these comments are microcosms of the national discussion harris’ campaign just fucking ignored. she made it absolutely impossible for me to say good things about her campaign. the best thing, as demonstrated this last month, people could say about her is ‘not trump.’ fuck me.
Maybe we should vote to round them up
😮💨 alright genocide joe. Its time for you to hit the pastures.
In all honesty, what if there was a refundable tax credit for voting or something similar. Wouldn’t even have to be a lot. If you voted, claim $20 or something.
We’d still have a lot of non voters but I bet some would be swayed by being rewarded for voting
And when those non-voters leave the presidential ticket blank what then? you’re focusing on the wrong part; getting people to show up isnt the issue. they’ll show up if your candidates are not ass and you have a good ground game.
thus?
Once you take into account registered voters versus eligible citizens, and the turnout of registered voters… It actually comes out to more like 25% of eligible citizens actually voting, and that’s on the high side.
like the other commenter said, both trump voters as people who do not vote are stupid (except for those who were physically unable to vote in any way)
I mean they may or may not be stupid, but you can guarantee that issues like rape, solvency, bigotry, tyranny, autonomy, and religious freedom, are all not a concern to them. At least until it suddenly is.
Nope, 1/3 of the population never votes. That’s around 100 million people. And neither party has close to 50% of the US population, so it doesn’t come down to a little more than half no matter who wins.
And the people that don’t vote don’t matter cause they don’t care either way.
Or they do care but don’t see enough of a difference between parties to matter which is in power
Ironically I think you meant to type “dumbass” while criticizing reading comprehension.
I get it, probably on mobile, but I couldn’t NOT reply.
You could be smart enough to say “fuck you” to the mainstream Dem candidates early in the campaign.
The dumbass other half fears “the establishment” to the degree of going to dotards, coachfuckers and antivaxxers. Removing “the establishment” from your side could make them fear those more.
So the part about dumb, dumb motherfuckers can be arguably addressed to almost all of you, my cowboy friends.
Especially those saying that “the perfect is the enemy of the good” and people should vote for Harris instead of someone like Bernie or someone like Larry Lessig or who not.
You know who doesn’t have problems getting behind a candidate? The right wing. In a first past the post system, this is the best we can do until reforms occur. People have been calling for reforms, but the people who can make the changes are the ones who benefit from the system. So what would you have us do? The founding fathers made a really undemocratic system and the right wing exploits it to the fullest extent possible. Short of balkanization (which is probably coming soon), I’m really not sure what we could have done differently. Civil wars aren’t fun for anyone involved.
So no my non-cowboy friend, it’s not all of us. Lots of people have fought and died and struggled and protested for a better system just for the powers that be to ignore them. 1/3rd of the country doesn’t vote. The other 1/3rd actively wants to put my family in a death camp, and 1/3rd of us do what we can with what we have.
See you in Germany. So fucking done with the USA.
The founding fathers made a system reliant on most of the voters being literate landowners.
It kinda worked in such a situation, because it was (among those voters) relatively egalitarian.
It was also supported by functional free press.
Now things have changed to the point where mass media are not very good, censorship is a real problem, even if it’s not by the government, and, ahem, political mechanisms have gotten a bit rusty even compared to 50s.
Isn’t Canada closer?..
Or French Guiana. It’s EU, and at the same time you get tropical beaches and wonderful nature.
Or one of the Scandinavian countries.
I mean, if you want Germany, then fine.
Moving closer to the equator is likely to be a bad time in the near future, what with climate change and all.
Parts with jungle are better than parts without though.
OK, you are right. I just don’t like something about Germany.
Being part Jewish and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Holocaust thing is something they are authoritative in because of being German.
Being part Armenian and meeting arrogant Germans thinking that the whole Armenian genocide thing is not as important because all people in the ME are apes anyway.
And somehow thinking their country is normal now, being friendly with Turkey and helping Israel to resolve their complex of inferiority in the worst way possible.
The humid jungles near the equator will have more wet bulb days than any other place, most likely.
I’m a German citizen as well. So Germany is what makes the most sense.
You can live in any EU country being a German citizen, but OK.
Yes, but my wife will not have citizenship of the EU until she stays in Germany for three years. Also, the salaries of other EU countries are not great.
Yeah exactly. This system was made for a completely different scenario, and is very easily exploitable by disinformation campaigns and fascisms with its populist campaigns in general.
Silence! Je veux eviter la cohue!
Congratulations your disingenuous bullshit helped destroy America
Na you did that just fine but supporting harris do blindly she wouldn’t move her policy positions.
Yes I got people to sit at home by convincing them Harris is a genocide monster. All by myself. Just because I love being a huge piece of shit.
Na you did it by not supporting the easiest policy shift possible and actively acting like a hostile assholes to people losing their friends and family.
Lets be very clear you had a choice between telling harris: no, its not okay for the US to give weapons to mass murder a people and shitting on a group of people who are actively losing friends and family in that genocide.
Your choice: shit on the victims. Nice.
Now apply this reasoning to each issue in this election. Lgbt+, abortion, Ukraine, inflation.
Which single issue if it was swapped with gaza would you make the alternate choice? I suspect none of them. And that is why harris lost. Because the Democrats are assholes and unwilling to compromise. Even on basic human decency when it conflicts with their corporate masters.
Gaza wa the easy issue.
I’m not an American voter.
My bullshit before the election usually involved saying that you still have to vote for Harris.
I’d say the media bullshit about the support of candidates, that communicated the wrong picture to Americans deciding whether to vote, has contributed much more than anything I ever wrote.
No reason to panic. It’s just 4 more years, and then another election. Usually when someone promises you massacres and other bad things, you believe them, but not in this case - you’ve elected people who’ve never followed up on their promises.
I live in Russia, so you had it coming for the older disingenuous bullshit about Russia being “just an imperfect democracy” and Putin being better than some imagined unholy alliance of communists and neo-Nazis.
Point 4 may be wishful thinking
True. But I can’t feel scared by that, comparing it to point 5.