• madcaesar@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    Conservative forums are talking about rounding up immigrants, letting women die in clinics and stripping people of their rights and dismantling Democracy.

    Here on the “left” lemmy, we’re arguing whether calling out hypocrites is a step too far we’ve got to be respectful after all!

    This is why the left sucks as organising and actually voting for change in unison. A simple thing as outing assholes starts a 10h discussion, meanwhile on the right they are building cages…

    Oh I’m sorry, not cages, enclosures without exists, we don’t want to offend people identifying as cages!

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      14 days ago

      “If a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance”

      So yeah, call these intolerant hypocritical assholes out!

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        That’s the paradox of intolerance though.

        If you don’t tolerate intolerance, you are intolerant.

        Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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          The paradox of tolerance is poorly named. Tolerance is part of the social contract and one that breaks the contract is no longer protected by it. The intolerant are excusing themselves from the contract and the rest of us can and should exclude them from the society they harmed.

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      This is why the left sucks as organising and actually voting for change in unison. A simple thing as outing assholes starts a 10h discussion, meanwhile on the right they are building cages…

      “The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts and the stupid ones are full of confidence.”

      — Charles Bukowski

      Oh I’m sorry, not cages, enclosures without exists, we don’t want to offend people identifying as cages!

      This made me think of this 20s clip from Thor: Ragnarok.

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        14 days ago

        Sounds like Ole Chuck was paraphrasing possibly my favorite poem which is also totally appropriate for our times. That is “The Second Coming”.

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      14 days ago

      I’m not gay, but the idea of outing ANYONE in the LGBTQIA+ community has long been a cardinal sin, enough so that it destroys careers and forces them to be almost globally shunned. I would imagine that for many there is a deep-set conflict between outing someone that has wronged them, and not outing someone that would likely want to be accepted elsewhere where they don’t need to pretend to be something they aren’t.

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        The problem with outing someone is that it risks subjecting them to discrimination and bigotry by homophobic assholes. Shunning it as a cardinal sin is a defense mechanism to protect each other.

        If right-wing bigots hide behind those protections, while being part of the problem that necessitates them in the first place, they deserve no protections.