Oh look. A candidate with actual policy won their race. Check out her page; she ran for a city council seat and her ‘issues’ section is five times longer than Kamala’s was.
Dems should be taking notes, but I doubt they will.
Would you stop with the nonsense? Harris had an 80 page economic plan.
https://kamalaharris.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Policy_Book_Economic-Opportunity.pdf
I’m starting to think moderates really do have that goldfish memory…
America has been a lot worse off than it’s about to be.
We had actual slavery, we genocided the native inhabitants, women were property, we even burned some as witches for telling us what we didn’t want to hear.
Emmit Till was brutally murdered as a child because a white girl wanted some attention.
We interned the wives and children of Japanese American while their husbands and fathers were drafted into our military.
Is shit gonna be horrible?
Absolutely.
But it probably won’t be worse than America has ever been. And to stop fighting now makes zero sense.
Learn a lesson from progressives, it’s been almost 20 years since we’ve been happy about a presidential election. That’s never made us stop voting, it’s never stopped us from working on the next election, and it sure as shit hasn’t stopped any of us from complaining.
But maybe next time you can remember that the politically disengaged won’t be motivated to vote by a candidate who chases Republican votes.
For longer than I’ve been alive the most popular excuse for not voting has been:
Both parties are the same
So when Dems act like Republicans, it just normalizes them and makes more people feel ok voting R, and depresses D turnout.
Please don’t forget, or check out for four years.
We had actual slavery
We have actual slavery. It’s the industrial complex prison system and it’s about to grow substantially.
Oh for sure, I think if the migrant camps actually get built in time, the plan is for them to be held indefinitely while planned incompetence makes it take forever to determine if they’re citizens or not.
All the time they’re being “paid” $0.07/hr for manual labor.
But four years honestly just isn’t enough time to do all that stuff. In four years everyone will be mad at trump again and even a bland moderate can beat him again.
Hopefully we choose someone better, but I don’t think the DNC will let us choose.
I thought those camps were already built? Like back in the Bush era. They called them secure unused railway facilities IIRC, but if you look at them from a different perspective… They look like concentration camps at the end of rail lines, out in the middle of nowhere.
Most were actually built under Obama.
It’s just nowhere near the capacity.
Like, wherever you went to Highschool had like football or soccer games, right? They had the infrastructure to handle that.
You could not schedule the Super Bowl or World Cup there.
I truly don’t believe we’ll be given a choice in 4 years. There are already talks of a 3rd Trump term. Even if that fails or Trump croaks, Vance is perfectly aligned to continue the mission.
By choice I meant about the Dem candidate.
If trump tries to cancel elections, large parts of the government and military wouldn’t obey.
Even if he replaces generals with bootlickers, there’s a lot of links in the chain of command till it gets to boots on the ground.
We just have to get shit sorted before warfare is all drones.
It won’t even be worse than America was twenty years ago, when we murdered a million Iraqis.
Learn a lesson from progressives, it’s been almost 20 years since we’ve been happy about a presidential election. That’s never made us stop voting, it’s never stopped us from working on the next election, and it sure as shit hasn’t stopped any of us from complaining.
At this point I hardly know what title to apply to who any longer, but for a large part those claiming the title of progressives where the loudest bunch clamoring to vote third party or stay home.
I consider myself lower-midfle class, not poor, certainly not rich. I vote to support school levies and public good works. I say tax the hell out of the ultra rich. Take a major chunk of our military budget and put it to Medicare and free college. All the same kinds of things these progressives ask for.
Yet when I say Kamela is the best realistic choice out there in this election it gets people all worked up saying I’m not better than some red hat looking to do evil in the world.
Why? This country is simply not going to turn into something resembling a Scandinavian semi-socialist country in one fell swoop.
Never stop voting?
Either progressives are a super tiny minority or that’s absolutely bullshit.
Because you wanna argue that progressive policy is super popular but somehow progressives can’t get their views in the Democrat party. And somehow despite always voting Bernie lost handedly in 2020.
If progressives exist in the number you think they might want to actually start voting in every single primary and general and actually take over the party.
Boy, you’ve convinced yourself you somehow are always smarter than everyone else.
All of this hopefulness assumes they don’t erode voting rights over the next 4 years. And they’ve had plenty of time to stage exactly that, including captured courts when anyone fights those new laws.
Don’t give it to them freely. If we give in, they can just move on to the next thing. Make even minor law changes a pain for them. Fight every battle so that they cannot spend as much time eroding voting rights.
Elections are run at the state level, even ones for federal office. Make sure every local office is filled with a progressive that will stand up for it. Some states have elections next year (before midterms) for offices that are going to matter for exactly that
I don’t think any supreme court justices are in this thread, and they are the ones that mostly have a say.
Eroding voting rights will be done on a federal level.
I’m not saying you are wrong, we should definitely protest, resist, and vote in local elections, but we don’t really get a say now that the country decided to give the reigns to fascists. I don’t think people realize how hard this will be to undo. These SC justices are going to be there for a very long time.
I’ve heard tentative plans for a mass general strike in 4 years. It won’t be easy, but if they won’t hear our voices, they don’t get our labor. There’s a lot of preparation to do between now and then, and we’re going to have to look out for each other. But labor has more power than we realize if we just use it.
Even then, that doesn’t mean it’s over.
The fight against fascism is literally never over, even if Trump lost it wouldn’t be over.
The sooner everyone acknowledges that, the better off we’ll be.
What’s holding us back is the DNC insisting every election is life or death and could be the last election to justify shit the Dem voting base doesn’t want.
They had their Tea Party. It’s time for our Guillotine Party, to address the problems created by the Second Estate.
Yyyyyeeeeeessssssss
It’s fucking time. My guillotine is fucking thirsty.
Nope… done fighting. So many stupid fucks voted against themselves. Let them be leopard food.
And tens of millions did not. Fight for them
Nope… I foolishly believed that one Trump term would be enough to teach everyone that they really needed to participate and make sure that never happened again. Instead, they came back and said they wanted even more. Now they can have all the more they want. Stupidity and willful-ignorance has consequences. Democracy is dead. It’s everyone for themselves now. Sticking your neck out to try to fight at this point just makes you a target. I guess if you have nothing to lose, then go for it.
I’m not giving in. I just think we deserve everything that’s going to happen.
We (Americans) do, the rest of the world, no.
Even Americans as a whole dont. Did you vote for Trump? Given the userbase of this platform, Im guessing likely not. What about someone who isnt yet of voting age? Or even who was just born, and therefore cant even have contributed memes and talking points to Trump’s cause? There are a great many people who did what they could to stop Trump and were outnumbered, or who simply had no ability to affect the situation and so had no part in causing it. All these people are guilty of is happening to be born within the same lines on a map as a bunch of fascists and fools that have been duped by fascists.
