“Someone hacked my washing machine” is not the cyberpunk future we wanted.
My other computer is your washing machine
Can you run Doom on it?
Why is you washing machine connected to anything to begin with? If you do not want that, you do not enable it.
Your three free trial washes have expired, but you can continue using your washer for $20 per month*
How many family members are in your home?
- Your account will be charged the going rate for each family member. This is for your safety. Because we said so, fuck you!
The only possible reason for an Internet connected washing machine is to provide alerts when it is done or when it has failed.
And honestly, if you need an alert on your phone to tell you when your washing machine has finished, you probably need to be more aware of your surroundings and learn how to prioritise tasks.
The only possible reason for an Internet connected washing machine is to provide alerts when it is done or when it has failed.
Mine just beep loudly when that happens, no internet needed.
Yeah, it beeps loudly. Once.
I love the notification on my phone that the wash is done. If I had to leave the house while something was in the wash I can leave the notification until I get home. Even if I’m busy working and want to deal with it later it’s a great reminder. I was awful for leaving clothes in the wash for hours and sometimes overnight before I got a wifi connected washer and dryer.
If only there was a way for something on your phone to remind you of an event that you know the precise time off.
Precise? That’s…not the word I’d use. My washing machines concept of time is vague at best and actively working against reality at worst.
My friend, have you used a washing machine before?
Mine spends 30 mins on 10 mins left
Meanwhile I set my dryer for 45m and it’s “done” in 20. So it takes a few tries before anything is actually dry
Mine was doing that. Turned out my dryer vent was installed badly by the previous owner. Was made of flexible hose instead of rigid and was too narrow in some spots. Built it right and the dryer doesn’t need multiple runs anymore.
you probably need to be more aware of your surroundings and learn how to prioritise tasks.
To be fair there’s a non-negligible percentage of the population who have neuro-divergencies making that a tall order. For example, apparently it could be as high as 1 in 10 people have some form of ADHD.
I’m not sure I’ve got anything actually clinically wrong with me, but I’ve got the memory of a sieve and a tendency to lose track of time. So I can definitely see the benefit there, and imagine it might be even more of a game changer for people actually with those conditions
Like most of the Neurodivergant individuals my age, I was never diagnosed.
For this reason, I was very lucky and fortunate that my older brother and peer group kept an eye out and kept reminding me to pay attention to my surroundings.
Nowadays, I use my learned skill of hyper awareness of my surroundings, combined with my innate over-analysis of problems to anticipate problems before they develop.
Neurodivergence is a gift, allowing you to see things that neuro-normative people don’t, as well as a curse. If you overcome the curse through discipline and training, as well as support of those around you, you will end up as better person.
If you keep saying “I’m on the spectrum so I don’t have to adhere to social norms”, you will only ever be neurodivergent.
Then work against you faults to make yourself better.
That’s not an excuse. It’s going to be harder for you then for some - tough cookie.
If someone had tendency to, IDK, cut themselves, the attitude shouldn’t be “oh so sad” but helping them to change.
Right, that might be the case for me (though I’m not sure how I’m supposed to significantly improve my memory, everyone’s gets worse with age, kinda a fact of life)
But for the percentage of people with neuro-divergencies where this could help, surely this would be them working against their faults? Using appropriate tools to make their lives easier is a much more viable solution than telling someone to change something about themselves that they ultimately might not be able to.
You wouldn’t tell a leg amputee to figure out how to hop around, you’d tell them to get crutches or a prosthetic.
Thank you.
I’m pretty active in ADHD spaces and seeing “then try to improve” set my teeth on edge.
I grew up with assholes trying to tell me to just “work on it.” Makes me crazy we live in the future and there are still people so entitled that they’ll tell disabled people “tough cookie.”
“Don’t accept accomodations for things you could use help with, just git gud scrub” is one of the more ablist things I’ve seen on Lemmy. Congrautlations on being the biggest fucking prick I’ve seem today.
Two reasons I use it:
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Washing machine is not in my home, I walk through my garden to get to it. I’m lazy so I want to know when it’s finished before I get disappointed. Either via mobile or tv.
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I can turn it on when my solar panels are at their highest output. Which is very handy when I’m at work for example. I just load it up and when it’s good to go I turn it on.
So, data like this is very bad. But I do see a use in the internet connection
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WiFi is enough to do that, no need for Internet? Unless you need to know that while away…? But a simple timer (analog or digital) would also be 95 % as accurate. Not like the program runs 30 minutes too long.
I could see this maybe being useful… but for the Gods please just make it a local network thing, you shouldn’t need this when you aren’t home. If for any reason I need my fucking washing machine outside my local net, it’ll be open source (or just custom made) and forwarded via tunneling to my domain that costs me a grand total of $4 a year.
A friend has a washing machine where you can put all your stuff in, schedule it to finish at [time you’re back from work] so you can immediately hang it up to dry. That ones wifi connected.
Maybe that also works without Internet but I’ve only seen that feature on those connected to the Internet.
My 10 year old machine can do that. No need for internet. Just set an end time. I would think basically every washing machine could do that unless you get the cheapest model around?
I feel like every washing machine I’ve used in my conscious lifetime has had an end timer.
On the Uber budget end it’s not an option.
And while I haven’t been shopping for one, the few times a glanced inside the home center over the last year, they all were WiFi connected.
Even my living room TV, if I don’t hook it up to WiFi, has an annoying blinking light asking you to hook it up.
It’s an industry problem, not a consumption problem.
Probably because it refuses to wash if it isn’t.
Then return it. Only reasonable option there is once you actually bought it.
My washer and dryer have a whole host of features and settings locked behind connecting it to the internet. I haven’t connected it and won’t but I could see how those settings could be useful for big families, people with sensory needs (my cousin is autistic and has a autoimmune disorder, and his clothes have to have the right amount of softness, scent, and cleanliness.) it took his mom years to find the perfect amount of chemicals, wash time, and dry time to get his clothing right for him to wear without hurting him. I showed her the options on my units and they totally would make her life easier.
I wish those features weren’t packed with ads, had no potential to brick the appliances, and weren’t capturing data but for those that don’t care. Ya totally use them.
It’s streaming the wash cycle. Please don’t block it, I watch that.
This is the only answer I would be ok with, streaming the wash cycle and absolutely nothing else.
Op from Jan:
https://x.com/Johnie/status/1744556503183585471
Most common theory is it was actually the guys asus router misreporting the data usage.
I bet the appliance was hacked and it’s part of a botnet
Probably not.
I work in home automation
There’s lots of educated idiots out there and lots of crap routers
My guess is that it is used bu LG to be part of a P2P net for LG content and firmware delivery for other LG products, especially TVs and phones
LG does not make phones anymore
This might be a silly question, but why the fuck would your washing machine need to be connected to the internet?
So it can doomscroll like the rest of us? What’s it gonna do for the 23 hours a day it’s not working?
Seriously, it’s probably some shit about being able to start/stop it remotely, or get notifications when the wash cycle finishes or something like that
I don’t hate the idea of notifs when it finishes, but I’d probably get pissy at it. These “smart home” things usually get really shitty if you isolate them to your local network. Probably for advertising/data collection reasons, most won’t just send the notification to the app or anything like that, it’ll send it to some obscure server on the other side of the world, then they’ll ping each other about 30 times, before that server eventually sends you the notification
As to why it’s using that much data, it’s probably for peer-to-peer software updates. I think windows does the same thing. Some companies prioritise updates via P2P so they don’t need to pay as many egress fees/maintain as much infrastructure, although they’ll sell it as “making the update experience faster and more totally AWESOME for everyone involved!”
Just set a timer on your phone and you get a notification when the cycle is done. No need to install yet another tracking/advertising app on your phone that will almost certainly want to send you push notifications to buy their sponsored laundry detergent.
LG Botnet Machine
And last time this was posted I said my LG oven and Washer both have used less than 20megs in the last month. So the guys shit is broken.
That’s still a fuck ton of data just to give out it’s current status.
That’s less than a megabyte a day. But still. How much does a washing machine have to say?
Why is his washing machine connected to his router?
He did it, lmao.
Why am I wet?
~ man in pool
Last time this was mentioned I think the likely answer was that it was locked in a failed update loop. It would download a corrupted file, fail the update, then start the download again. All day, every day.
It’s a washing machine… Who the hell thought it needed an operating system!
We’ve been using washing machines for decades, successfully, that just used mechanical timers. Every so often you’d have to change out the timer or some belt sure to wear. It was cheap and easy to do.
It wasn’t. It was a display error on the router. It is mentioned in a comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38984609
If that was a direct link, it didn’t work on mobile for me. But I found it:
In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool.” Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their apps. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.
Interesting, it’s all upload too. I’ve seen a “smart” device that just blasted out NTP packets to an unresponsive server in an infinite loop. I wonder if something like that is happening there too. That’s too much data for NTP though
Who’s the Manson lookalike in the pic background?
Ted Kaczynski, the “Unabomber”.
Thanks! Still don’t know why, but now I know who…
He was objectively highly talented guy but when he was in harvard The CIA tortured him and ran one of the most cruel “tests” on him called MK ULTRA.
and as expected it broke him he then spent rest of his life living in the woods and created bombs out everyday object and used USPS to ship them to government offices.
In his manifesto (yes he was a psycho serial bomber so he has a manifesto) he talked how we are enslaved by modern technology.
No problem. I’m with you on the why part.
He was subjectively an untalented man but when he was at college the FBI kept prank calling him as part of a fun test, where they’d call him “Supafreak” and then hang up giggling.
As expected, this broke him and so he spent the rest of life downtown and created impressive art out of everyday junk and used DHL to ship them to company addresses.
In his tone poems (yes he was a psycho cereal muncher so he knows poetry) he scatted about how slavery could be a utopian vehicle.
😂😂😂
Maybe just don’t connect it to the internet if that’s the only washing machine you have access to?
Probably bitcoin mining?
Most of these cheap routers don’t measure traffic properly
How does it fuck up on bytes in and out
Ip might have changed as an example…or it is recording local traffic too, etc.
Guy might not even be looking at the right ip address or the unit might have been getting a firmware update
