Another fun fact, billionaires and their lifestyles emmit more carbon pollution in 90 minutes than the average person in their lifetimes.
Starting a psyop on 4chan for making edgy school shooter wannabes start aiming at billionaires instead.
“You see anon, it’s not that girls don’t like you or that your class has 1 non-white person in cornbread America, it’s that billionaires are leeches in society, and the cops they own would stop you. Don’t fire at classmates, fire at the upper class.”
For good measure point out that people migrating into the country are often because the 1% are offering them otherwise high paying jobs at below minimum wage, but thanks to the exchange rate that’s like a million dollars an hour back in their home country.
Don’t make it obvious that you’re on the Left or they’ll ignore you on principle. Make it sound like you’re “one of them”
Dey tuk er jobs
This guy gets it
I tried to teach socialism for terminally 4chan people, it’s hard, and can be immediately undone by /pol/, some other nazi shit, etc.
I did it once, in person, and all it took was food every day for a few months. We all shared our food at lunch instead of keeping it to ourselves, and we all went away more full than we had before. (the reason is that we all got a larger variety of flavors than before, but that’s not the point. The point is communism) Never out had to talk about leftism or politics either, people just sort of came around via eating.
These people believe they are just one crypto rug pull away from being part of the 1%
This argument won’t work on them.
Only if the wealth is redistributed to the masses though.
Yeah exactly. Normal inheritance means their kids or spouse inherit, and the number of billionaires remains the same.
Fun fact, if I were to inherit the wealth of a billionaire family member who was shot in public I’d get philanthropic real fast!
Many people say this. However of those who talk the talk, barely any ever walk the walk.
However I think if you are born an heir to a billionaire, you’d lack the perspective which might foster selfless philanthropy.
I’d like to think that if someone from the working class would randomly get such money they would. But it still seems unlikely.
self preservation isn’t a selfless motive, but if it results in philanthropy then that’s a win.
Exactly! If billionaires were put in a a position where they need to stop being billionaires and distribute their wealth or else people will kill them, they’d distribute their wealth real fucking fast
Not before trying to buy their way out of it.
“What if I uh, personally kill 1000 millionaires to offset each billion reducing my greedy hoarding footprint.”
I would assume most of Elon Musk’s kids are not a fan of Billionaires.
Also, he has a lot of kids now… money tied up over inheritance squabbles and civil cases getting redistributed to lawyers and court systems. I imagine more kids will come out of the woodwork too claiming a piece of the inheritance pie
Really one only ever heard his one daughter speak out against him, since she’s been a frequent target for his anti-trans bullshit.
I haven’t heard any of the other kids speak up against him on any topic.
I’d like to think that if someone from the working class would randomly get such money they would. But it still seems unlikely.
Almost all big lottery winners are working class. Look at what they do with their winnings on average, you don’t need to guess.
I feel like that depends too. There’s a ton of working class that dream of somehow becoming billionaires which is why they don’t want to tax them.
I was thinking about this the other day. If I had half a trillion dollars (like the guy who just bought the presidency) I would spend it building a city from scratch. A walkable/bikeable city with free public transportation. I don’t have enough expertise to speak about affordable housing ideas, but with that amount of money I can pay someone to come up with some good regulations. Don’t know why but that’d be my passion project.
Better use of the money is to strong arm cities into adjusting into better land uses. Building a city from scratch you’re probably taking farm land from making food to instead be a new city, and if you can attract enough businesses to attract enough residents you’ve only helped by creating walkability for a few hundred or thousand people while the rest of the country remains car dependant.
Honestly I was on a walk recently and had the thought cross my mind of “what if this road were ripped up, the newly reclaimed land was sold for housing and small quiet businesses and the sidewalks widened into first class bike/walking paths just wide enough for an emergency/utility vehicle to drive down?” and I got a little sad that such a utopian vision just isn’t politically palatable.
I agree with you, that would be a much more effective use of resources. It’s a fantasy though, and it’s way more fun for me to daydream about design than manipulating public policy.
All that said it’s not a fruitless endeavor to think about how you would build something from scratch even if you can’t. It is a good way to hash out ideas without getting bogged down by the resistance to change.
I put some more thought into it and did some measurements and it makes way more sense than I initially thought. I looked at a random neighborhood in a large city nearish to me and it had 50-60 foot wide roads (and it seemed most of the roads with sidewalks the road itself was narrower but had a very similar ~60-70 feet sidewalk to sidewalk) and a narrow road with a traffic calming median had 10 foot wide lanes. Each of these neighborhood streets had an average of about 10 single family homes on each side, with roads about 1500 feet long (0.25-0.3 milesish, so a very short walk from end to end) most appeared to have 1 car garages with a few having 2 car garages
If we take on of those 60 foot wide streets, place a pair of small garages on each end with 6 parking spots each (parking spaces are 8x16 feet on average and this assumes a 16 food wide driving lane to access these garages) providing covered offstreet parking for 1.2 cars per existing household (makes the transition more politically palletable) which consumes about 160 feet of the 1500 feet of former-road and preserves a dedicated 10 foot wide alleyway (potentially with a 1 foot each side “keep out” space for emergency vehicles. Some fire engines are a bit more than 10 feet wide)
We’re left with a 1340 x 50 foot strip of land. If we break that into 50x100 foot plots you can fit a dozen double-wide manufactured homes (square footage of 800-2500 sq feet, just using manufactured homes as a consistent and easy example) with space for a yard for each of them. Alternatively if you do 50x50 plots you can easily fit a cute little 30x30-40 foot home on each plot with a small private yard and add 26 900-1200 square foot single family homes. You could even convert one or two of these plots into new green spaces to further make it a nicer neighborhood
In the example block I looked at, there were 3 very similar parallel streets squared off with other slightly higher throughput streets surrounding them. If we convert these 3 streets in this way, creating a dense walkable/bikable superblock we’ve taken an area of 1300x1500 feet that previously contained 60 single family homes, and increased that to about 135 homes without reducing anyone’s yards and only by shifting them to use a communal garage instead of a private one (which they can now convert their garages into living space and remove their driveways for more yard space!) Or we go from about 800 single family homes per square mile to over 1800 homes per square mile. And this is just unimaginative replacing existing roads with single family homes and not even considering adding any sort of mixed use or multifamily homes1 nor annexing any portion of the existing homes’ 50 foot deep front yards!
If we annex 30 feet existing homes’ 50 foot deep front yard (they still keep their 50 foot deep backyards!) that gives us about 120x1500 feet to redevelop. Lets put a 10 foot wide alleyway on each side in front of the existing homes, drop the shared garages because nobody loses road access, and we’ve got 100x1500 feet to work with, or easily 60 new 50x50 foot plots or 74 40x50 foot plots (240 or 282 homes where there was previously 60, alternatively 3400 or 4000 lots per sq mile up from ~1800 originally)
1. I did calculate out 2900 48 units in the 50x1500 foot space using 100x40 foot quadplexes
Hells yeah! !fuckcars@lemmy.world, !notjustbikes@feddit.nl.
That is why MacKenzie Scott is the best living billionaire.
She did just that before all this mess started.
This assumes a single person inherits everything. In reality, it’d be quickly distributed for every billy that dies.
The Adjusters go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
but if not, and they have two or more children ic tje amount gets split between them. Then you handlo those, and their children etc. It’s financial homeopathy
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Narrator: it isn’t
By this algorithm, it would have to. Otherwise it’d just create a new billionaire who’d go to the back of the line
In some cases, the wealth might simple be gone because the stock crashes of which the bulk of the wealth is built.
So what you are saying is we have plenty supply of school children and not enough billionaires? Let’s see how we can get more billionaires then. Or do you want to reduce the number of school children? Because that is being worked on constantly…America, you have the freedom to get killed by someone with mental issues anytime.
I love how Luigi has become a defacto symbol of the revolution. I can’t imagine Nintendo being happy about it.
Seriously. Their boardroom must be up in arms about it not being Mario.
They will probably reference it in the next Mario movie.
I mean. There’s no such thing as bad advertising, supposedly. I doubt this would violate that statement.
My OCD wonders if they factored in having to assassinate the heirs of the CEOs who immediately become billionaires, recursively until every fortune has been divvied up so many ways nobody has a billion anymore. Cuz that would be necessary if you really want to “run out” of billionaires, and would also mean you advocate executing children for inheriting a lot of money. This does require thinking beyond the simple meme, but go ahead - you can do it!
Unlike royalty the transfer of wealth isn’t instant so if you work fast enough you can achieve a brief window when there are no billionaires.
Wealthy people likely have a living trust and the next trustee picks up immediately without needing time-consuming procedures like probate.
People might be reluctant to assume possession of billions if people were murdering/ systematically killing billionaires. So, it might be achieved relatively quickly.
Sure you can have the infinite money stone. All you have to do is make it past everyone who will suffer to power it, there’s a lot more of them than you and they are hungry
I get the impression a brief window isn’t the goal, but in this thread rationalization might be.
I wonder what that particular scenario’s Gini coëfficient versus Cumulative Assassinations plot looks like. Sounds like the plot for a new season of Death Note.
Compare the number of size S body bags used every time the cops gather to watch another “mentally troubled loner” to the average number of immediate family over 18 size of each billionaire, kids would have a trust fund guardian you’d rather capture than kill. All in all you’d probably expend a lot less ammo for more benefit going top down. Hypothetically of course.
Any reason to prefer capturing trust fund guardians rather than killing them? I mean, the base plan doesn’t call for checking how the original billionaire got their money or assessing them personally. We’re operating strictly at meme level - controlling enormous wealth is evil. “Kill them! Kill them all!” Anybody who decides to wuss out and start adding constraints could be a shill or an apologist - at any rate it doesn’t show full commitment to Sparkle Motion.
Ironically, moreso for legal reasons than anything else. If Jeeves becomes the sole guardian of the kids’ inheritance, offing him means you lose the passwords to the offshore accounts and control of the trust goes to some extended family member or the bank itself. If he can be coerced or turned, you’ve a much easier route to accessing the funds, buying the company that makes school lunches and telling them to knock it the fuck off charging children for food.
We don’t need to kill them all, just enough to make the rest realize that “number go up” doesn’t mean much when you see a torch and pitchfork every time you look out a window.
E) This is assuming all banks and lawyers follow legal procedure, which may go out the window along with the first publicly defenestrated billionaire so…I’m not sure how we go about getting all the digital bank notes but I’m just a grunt who exits the plane early, that’s a question for someone smarter
Also, only about 28,000 hundred-million-plus-inaires on Earth.
For perspective, significantly more Palestinians have already been casually genocided by our bestie trade partner in that current conflict.
The blight upon our civilization of billions is not that large.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/number-of-people-with-100-million-has-doubled-since-2003.html
I’m not even suggesting they be adjusted, because I’m not a sociopath like they are. Use an economic guillotine, confiscate their exploitation gotten hoards for the commons(yes nationalize essential industries like utilities and Healthcare so they’re owned by society), reshape the economy to stop rewarding speculative gambling with exploitation gotten chips over honest labor and vocations like teachers that keep civilization running, obviously institute a maximum wealth cap as other people live in this society going forward to prevent recurrance, bring their ego scores to zero for their murderous greed, let them keep $20 and give each of them a set of literal, cheap bootstraps, and let them get a real job.
Bar them from forming any kind of corporate entities or investing in anything other than a standard savings account for life, just as people convicted of computer crimes are sometimes barred from operating computers as they’ve proven they’re a danger to others with them.
I’d be shocked if half of them didn’t take themselves out of the equation suddenly being subject to the same reality as their current livestock.
So… You want socialism?
I do, and I’m tired of pretending I don’t.
I never didn’t when I reached the age of reason and saw the social
tolerancecelebrationworship of unchecked avarice as the core rot in our civilization for what it is.Im glad so many are finally overcoming their capitalist “greed is rational and your lessers have to lose for you to win” programming, even at this late hour as the capitalists burn the very world under our feet… and your grandmother who needs a hip replacement or chemotherapy alive… for another nickel on their sociopath hoards.
Do we want a society… And all the benefits that being an actual society with a functioning social contract entails? Or do we want to continue to be a bunch of
temporarily embarrassed millionairespathetic mark suckers at each other’s throats tearing eachother down over scraps and false promises (hard work will be rewarded! Consumption will make you feel better! The odds are ever in your favor!) so we never look up at our owners?social worship of unchecked avarice
I love this phrase. It covers a lot in so few words.
Unfortunate that it describes the actual world rather than some dystopian YA novel.
Thank you sincerely!
When one of your hobbies becomes finding new and interesting ways to make the same points at clouds and brick walls on the internet, as mine has, you come to find efficiency in eloquence.
It helps me to at least feel like I’m holding onto my sanity in insane times.
You are sincerely welcome! I thought that whole comment of yours distilled a lot of our/my frustrations down to a few hard-hitting sentences.
I mean, I could have just as easily used this one:
capitalist “greed is rational and your lessers have to lose for you to win” programming
I think every other sentence you write could be used as an answer on Jeopardy and the question would always be “How is so much so wrong with the world? It doesn’t have to be this way!”
If I had less morals or more energy, I’d give you a hundred upvotes.
let them keep $20 and give each of them a set of literal, *cheap* bootstraps, and let them get a *real job.*
Lettem keep hundreds of millions and all the non-lizards amongst them shouldn’t have realistic reasons to complain, plus society still benefits most hugely and you can still win capitalism (so they can’t argue completely any “necessary incentive” argument).
A lot of readers here are unimaginably wealthy compared to destitute villagers around the world, but we still prefer to have some nice things and only donate of our wealth. I’m fine extending that philosophy to anyone.
(In Burundi, the average earner won’t make $1000 this year.)
I haven’t actually done the math, but by percentages I think they are probably fairly close.
Its not hard to look up school shooting fatalities, but it would be depressing
In total, you’d only need four numbers:
- The total number of school aged children
- The number of school aged children who died due to violent crime
- The total number of billionaires
- The total number of billionaires who died due to violent crime
Rate could mean over time or percentage of. I think OP was thinking of time, in which case your wouldn’t need the total number of schoolchildren. Just divide the population of billionaires by the number of schoolchildren that die by violent crime per year.
Welp that sucked.
69 deaths in 2024 (323 school shootings in 1 year. More school shootings than school days. What are you doing there?)*
And
400+ billionaires the poorest is 3.3B
So 2024 had 1 Billionare death, at this rate, we need 399 more years…
*I forgot to add. Both this source and me are not american. Feel free to correct me with a more local source
More numbers for people to play with. “Since 1999, 440 people have been killed and 1,243 injured in shooting events at K-12 schools.”
https://www.security.org/blog/a-timeline-of-school-shootings-since-columbine/
If I’m reading the hypothetical right, it’s saying what if in a year, the numbers were reversed… 323 $hootings with 69 deaths, versus 1 school shooting with 1 death.
Would gun laws change, would tax laws change? Etc etc. Would minimum wage change?
Purely hypothetical of course
And I want my scalps!
So were these sausages I bought today.
That would involve people actually doing something rather than waiting for someone else.
And even then you guys would fall into conspiracy theories because you can’t believe someone actually did something.
It’s a prisoner’s dilemma. Of fucking course we should revolt and save the world. Organizing that is not easy, especially when it makes you a target.
And this is the heart of our predicament - the ones in control understand this. If they keep our misery at a low simmer they get to extract everything from us, slowly, we won’t revolt. I worry that our only hope may be that they miscalculate and the pot boils over. I really don’t want that, but I’m having a harder and harder time imagining real improvements anymore.
It’s the people who think making money is good and moral, even when you have to screw others over to get it, who are the problem.
Completely agree.
Homelessness is up 20% over the last 2 years. The pot is already boiling over, I’m not sure what more you think most people have left to lose.
I guess we’ll see won’t we? I predict we’ve got a bit further to go before enough people are miserable enough. It’s a numbers game and I don’t think we’re there yet.
President musk might push it over I reckon. This whole visa debacle is a big fuck you. I don’t think it will be his last overreach
Everyone is doing something. Working, going to school, living their lives. Even people who have no job, who walk the streets, are doing something: surviving.
Most people’s survival instincts prevent them from taking drastic measures like this, even when things are really bad. Think of how many people who had every incentive to take a shot at Hitler but did not, despite all the horrors of the Nazi regime.
One small problem:
Billionaires are not closed in together in a poorly secured room, thus you will need a lot more effort to just shoot down one of them.
The 55th World Economic Forum will happen in a few weeks, but the security will probably be, like, almost twice as tight as the average school.
/s
Just arrange a dick measuring contest, and the largest dicks with the smallest wieners will come together. (pun not intended)
So many heirs tho…
What do we do if their heirs just inherit it?
Anakin Skywalker time? 🤔
They’d get generous quickly if we kept the guillotines lubricated
If we’re waving magic wands around, change the tax laws to limit how much you can inherit.
Changing the step up basis thing is actually pretty low hanging fruit.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stepupinbasis.asp
https://smartasset.com/investing/buy-borrow-die-how-the-rich-avoid-taxes
I mean, if we could easily change laws, we wouldn’t need to murder a bunch of rich people, just seize any assets that exceed a certain limit (a wealth cap essentially) and call it a day. No bloodshed. Frankly, I’m not a fan of violence if there is a peaceful path.
We’d have have to use drugs or something first to get them to sign over their wealth. Probably film it, make sure no one thinks it was under duress. The whole process could take months to make sure it looks legit. CIA level brainwashing maybe? I donno, just spitballing. Then just make sure they can’t backtrack on everything by finishing the job.
Not necessary. After the first round of billionaires has been dispatched, their nepo babies will see the writing on the wall and sign it over quite willingly without any kind of coercion.
This, make them afraid of having too much at once. It’s what people recieving disability payments are already used to. (You actually get cut off and removed from healthcare providers if you’re disabled and have 2000 in savings, and your spouse’s income counts so you basically can’t get married.
I don’t know enough to know if it’s easier to cover up months of subtle and forceful coercion, or a billionaire’s murder. I think that would count as ‘duress’ for the nepo chilluns. This is hard, I can understand why everyone’s not doing it.
Let him cook
There are 1050 estimated billionaires in the US. In 2024 we’ve had 38 school shooting related deaths.
So a bit more than 2 months…
29 years, assuming we maintain 2024 school shooting levels. I propose that we just skip the schoolchildren shootings altogether, and just skip straight to French Revolution rates of aristocrat deaths. They unalived over 14,000 aristocrats over just a two year period.
Given demographics in the US today, those are rookie numbers. I think we could really show history how it ought to be done and bump that up to some really fast math.
The real unfortunate downside though was that 70% of the casualties during the reign of terror was worker/peasant class. Getting at those rich people meant they had to go through 700,000 human shields that the wealthy put in front of themselves. I figure our current wealthy elite wouldn’t be reached until a far higher number of Americans perished.
There’s a lot of fucking bootlicker assholes out there still.
They killed them. Unalived sounds stupid.
Ah ah, this is Lemmy.world
Agreed, fuck this Newspeak nonsense. People kill, die, fuck, shit, piss, go off half-cocked making asses of themselves, etc.
I’m all for censoring pejoratives that are inherently derogatory on the basis of sex, gender, nationality or racial characteristics, but I am deeply critical of shit like ‘unaliving’. I am open to someone correcting this view, but it’s something that started with large corporations afraid for their bottom line. IMO it has no place in the Fediverse.
steps off of soapbox, curious if the ban hammer cometh
Killed triggers the moderation and censorship tools more quickly. This way some idiot bootlicker has to “get offended” and manually report it, making it take longer for the admins to notice and take it down.
If your lemmy instance cares about that sort of language, please join a new one. The only instances I’m aware of that care about harsh language are .ml (censors bitch and some other curses) and .world (regularly deletes stuff celebrating the UHC CEO’s murder).
Otherwise, this is lemmy, you aren’t on some site that cares about looking friendly and soft for advertisers. Please don’t bring that self censorship shit here.
Modern aristocrats are also much more mobile than their ancien regime counterparts.
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how far the FOSSCAD community has come with developing surface to air missiles.
How many people got shot at school shootings, though?
Looks like 116 recorded school shooting related injuries this year so far. Hard to say how many of those were kids getting shot though
Who said anything about the US? Why not use world numbers?
He is not talking about school related deaths but about deaths of school children, so everyone who is still a school age.
Make it so.
