I don’t like getting downvoted for my opinions either and I understand that upsets a lot of us but you’re coming off a little harsh in various comments despite how right you are. Chill out a bit, my guy 👍
Imagine Russia not having it’s shit together enough to put down a mutiny from a mercenary group.
We know Russia’s military is a disorganized mess. Even a well-organized military can struggle with getting up to date information from the front lines. A military in an authoritarian country where people are afraid of giving their leader bad news?
Yeah, Putin doesn’t know what’s going on in Ukraine. Best to keep him thinking that The glorious Russian Army has destroyed 4000 Leopard 2 tanks today and the Ukrainian counter offensive has been a complete failure, just as his staff is telling him.
Generally when there’s a coup, those complicit either go to prison or are executed.
After this “failed coup”, Prigozhin can go back to Africa with the men loyal to him. He avoids having to be in the front lines during the Ukrainian counter offensive and does so while appearing strong. I suspect Prigozhin has a better sense of how the Ukrainian counter offensive will go than you do. He avoids a possible collapse of the Russian Federation. When things go badly for Russia, he can say he warned everyone, and did what he could to prevent it. When the Putin regime collapses he will be well regarded in Russia.
And that’s just the parts of the deal that are publicly known.
Meanwhile what did Putin get? One day he addressed the nation and declared Prigozhin a criminal and terrorist. Then the next day Prigozhin marches on Moscow. Then suddenly all is forgiven, Prigozhin and Wagner are not criminals and terrorists. Kinda a bad look isn’t it? Just letting criminals and terrorists off the hook like that?
Seems the only thing Putin got was he didn’t get removed from power. And even that’s not certain… has Putin been seen publicly since his address where he declared Prigozhin a back-stabbing criminal? I guess we’ll have to wait and see…
@yogthos@SpaceCowboy Pffft… they didn’t “put down” a mutiny. The Dictator of Belarus did. Putin is a weak ass coward and won’t be in power much longer.
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I know. What ground specifically
Shit article as expected from Business Insider
These maps are on something like a 2 to 3 day delay now.
They don’t want to give Russia too much information on what’s going on.
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I don’t like getting downvoted for my opinions either and I understand that upsets a lot of us but you’re coming off a little harsh in various comments despite how right you are. Chill out a bit, my guy 👍
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Imagine Russia not having it’s shit together enough to put down a mutiny from a mercenary group.
We know Russia’s military is a disorganized mess. Even a well-organized military can struggle with getting up to date information from the front lines. A military in an authoritarian country where people are afraid of giving their leader bad news?
Yeah, Putin doesn’t know what’s going on in Ukraine. Best to keep him thinking that The glorious Russian Army has destroyed 4000 Leopard 2 tanks today and the Ukrainian counter offensive has been a complete failure, just as his staff is telling him.
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Yeah they “put down” Wagner by giving in to the demands of Prigozhin. That’s what happened in the universe I inhabit.
Putin was humiliated and proven to be weak.
Sorry that the great Red Army reborn turned out to be more like the army of Czar Nicholas II in 1917.
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Generally when there’s a coup, those complicit either go to prison or are executed.
After this “failed coup”, Prigozhin can go back to Africa with the men loyal to him. He avoids having to be in the front lines during the Ukrainian counter offensive and does so while appearing strong. I suspect Prigozhin has a better sense of how the Ukrainian counter offensive will go than you do. He avoids a possible collapse of the Russian Federation. When things go badly for Russia, he can say he warned everyone, and did what he could to prevent it. When the Putin regime collapses he will be well regarded in Russia.
And that’s just the parts of the deal that are publicly known.
Meanwhile what did Putin get? One day he addressed the nation and declared Prigozhin a criminal and terrorist. Then the next day Prigozhin marches on Moscow. Then suddenly all is forgiven, Prigozhin and Wagner are not criminals and terrorists. Kinda a bad look isn’t it? Just letting criminals and terrorists off the hook like that?
Seems the only thing Putin got was he didn’t get removed from power. And even that’s not certain… has Putin been seen publicly since his address where he declared Prigozhin a back-stabbing criminal? I guess we’ll have to wait and see…
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@yogthos @SpaceCowboy Pffft… they didn’t “put down” a mutiny. The Dictator of Belarus did. Putin is a weak ass coward and won’t be in power much longer.
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@yogthos Exactly, which pretty much tells you that neither can stand on their own feet. They have to prop each other up. Weak.
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From what we’ve seen recently it sounds like Russia doesn’t even know when Russia is attacking Russia
Territory near krasnohorivka (or however it’s spelled) apparently
https://kbin.social/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml/t/91047
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Whatever Toronto.
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