Summary:
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Mod of an inactive community is upset that I try to build !leagueoflegends@lemm.ee rather than !leagueoflegends@lemmy.world and removes a comment encouraging a user to crosspost their question
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Mod action: https://lemmy.world/comment/14369112
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They then come to the lemm.ee community and use incorrect data such as “this community has no posts by other people than you” (it does, 4 posts in the last 11 days, while theirs had 2 in the last month) https://sopuli.xyz/post/21608236?scrollToComments=true
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They accuse me to be on a “vendetta” against LW while I’m the main poster on !lego@lemmy.world , !photography@lemmy.world , !gardening@lemmy.world and !homeimprovement@lemmy.world
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they try to bargain the consolidation of !television@lemmy.world and !showsandmovies@lemm.ee , while that has nothing to do with the league of legends communities (television and showsandmovies were both active, here the LW version hasn’t had a post in the last 23 10 days)
The whole post seems strange to me, what do you all think?
Additional context: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
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we think flat earthers should be more respected than leftists on our instance
People rush faster off lw
lw harrases people posting elsewhere
Does lw have the same PR philosophy of musk and spez?
Am I just using Lemmy differently from these people? I want to find a community, I go to search, it pulls up all connected instances, I pick which one has the highest subscribe count regardless of what instance it’s on and use it like any other community. (Well, minus tankie instances). It’s really no trouble if it’s somewhere else and half the times I don’t even notice.
Active users can sometimes be a better metric than subs, but yes, that’s the idea
.world mods and admins are just seething right now because they were unsuccessful in moving 196 to .world. The whole community just fucked off to !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
This behaviour will just continue, its what .world is destined to do because they think we need them.
Y’all are assigning way to much maliciousness to the people running a non-profit.
I usually trust LW, especially Ruud. One point I just don’t get is why staying federated with Threads
I do think the L.W. position is a bit too status-quo, but being misguided isn’t the same as being a mustache twirling villain
i think it was ruud who banned me for antiwhite racism from political memes, purely because Iinked readsettlers.org .
I trust him as a sysadmin. Not sure he does that much moderation these days
I actually think that’s part of the problem. If you don’t eat your own dogfood, you don’t know where the problems are.
ruud isn’t and hasn’t for a long time been involved in LW moderation at all. the last moderation type site admin action taken by ruud was september 2023. all LW site moderation is done by the LW site admin team and to some extent our community team.
the LW team operates more or less independently from the rest of the instances we have at FHF. some topics are discussed in the wider circle of moderators across instances (same role, just different terminology depending on the software) but decisions are generally still on the LW site admin team.
Makes sense, thank you for confirming
True, but at the same time maybe he doesn’t want to talk on Lemmy that much. Also I think they also manage Mastodon, that would be something to stay active there regularly too
Yes, but again, this is part of the problem. Ruud deciding to host and maintain a dozen fediverse services he doesn’t use personally is a choice, which has these sort of effects.
I personally run lemmy and only lemmy because I use it all the time and know exactly what’s happening here and what the drama is and can put my development time into improving my instance.
Why is a decentralised instance in a decentralised social network infrastructure wanting to be the centralised instance.
IMO, Lemmy.world is a greater risk to Lemmy than Meta’s threads.
Yeah duh, thats why everyone is pissed at .world. Their admins also didnt sign the anti meta petition (fedipact) and for that and many other reasons are defederated by other instances.
Imo the fedipact is silly. It shouldn’t be a reason to defederate from someone
Nobody is deferating because someone didn’t sign the fedi pact, but people do bring that as a con for that instance.
You have to see it as a sort of shopping cart test of basic human decency. If you cant even manage a base level of agreement over why the fediverse exists and what can endanger it, then your instance should not be trusted with majority control over lemmy.
i think the sublinks dev is ongoing, they said they wanted to switch to that and eventually cut ties to lemmy. They probably want the largest userbase to take with them
i think the sublinks dev is ongoing,
It’s halted at the moment. !piefed_meta@piefed.social is usable
oh god whats the story on that? Why are people so adamant on splintering?
Sublinks main dev got a child.
Piefed dev knew Python and not Java
but why reinvent the wheel it’s such a waste of effort
Honestly, If I wasn’t on lemmy atm, I’d be hosting piefed because I know python and it’s much easier to develop.
Languages are different, not all people know all of them.
If you get a book draft in Persian, are you going to continue writing in that language, or will you translate to one of your main languages?
But I thought they had multiple devs?
I’m in that Matrix, things stopped happening around 6 months ago.
Or they have a chat without me 😄
So they can cencor fedi discussions.
During elections you could not post any criticism of kamala or DNC without ban hammer…
Discussions of Dead parasite CEO… Can’t discuss either…
Criticism of neo liberal regimes… Not on their Lemmy!!!
Rule1,Civility, troll🤡
This is called censorship and world makes ML seem reasonable IMHO
These ideological leanings does make me wonder who is paying the neckbeards to do this fulltime.
I’ve seen a lot of LW users behaving like this.
They want a single comm per topic, preferably in LW; and everyone should go to that comm, no dissidence allowed. Always talking about “not splitting efforts”, or some FUD like “unless we gather together Lemmy will never succeed”.
And, when you tell them a clear “no”, they throw a tantrum. Like Serinus did there.
I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.
Anyway, I’d call that FAPTB (failed attempt of powertripping).EDIT: wow, they removed your mention of the other comm! Talk about pettiness. PTB.I think that they got out of Reddit, but they didn’t get Reddit out of themselves. They still behave like this was a Reddit-like monolithic platform; so when they see decentralisation - like multiple comms for the same topic, in different instances - they treat it as a bug, when it’s a feature.
Maybe we should point them out to Discuit and their 181 weekly active users: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/NlAdOWAp
Some people indeed don’t seem to understand that if Lemmy has 43k monthly active users, it’s thanks to the different instances and community. Would ml been a single forum, most of the people wouldn’t have even registered. LW could have a decent following, but the regular debatable policy updates would have probably pushed people away.
Sounds like Discuit should add apub integration. At this day and age it honestly baffles me that people like the devs of raddle and discuit go all like “No we don’t want to talk to anyone else. You have to join our walled garden!”
There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don’t see the appeal.
One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots
There are at least 4 or 5 forums on /r/Redditalternatives which could definitely benefit from ActivityPub, but they don’t see the appeal.
Ye I know, it’s fucking bizarre. Every 6 months, a new reddit alternative comes up which doesn’t have apub and expects to get user by sheer charm or smt.
One of them even asks for people credit card information to avoid bots
Lol, at an age where people are preconditioned to assume this means a subscription lock-in and the rest don’t even own one, I wonder how many people took them up on that offer.
I also love the naivety of thinking $3 once will stop spammers. As if that wouldn’t be a perfectly cheap amount to pay to spam all their users if they had a lot of them. Twitter has $8 a pop and it’s innundated with spam
Ye I know, it’s fucking bizarre. Every 6 months, a new reddit alternative comes up which doesn’t have apub and expects to get user by sheer charm or smt.
Well put. It’s a bit disheartening, because people put time and energy in those projects, that could be used to develop the existing open source platforms…
Software devs and their “I can build this better from scratch in one weekend” mentality, mate…
Maybe its old age and laziness, but at least 99 times out of 100 I think “someone else built this better from scratch in a weekend, I should check some git repos first”.
If I find nothing, start a project, get it functional, and then randomly run across exactly what I’m looking for (or close enough with minor updates I can send upstream).
Reminds me that we could keep an eye on https://clubsall.com/
It’s a bit disheartening, because people put time and energy in those projects, that could be used to develop the existing open source platforms…
Okay so while true, this is also highly ironic given the nature of the OP.😜
I’ll restate your words as “instead of splitting our efforts, why not contribute towards enhancing the existing options…?” (I know the answer, I’m just saying it’s ironic 😛)
That’s fair 😄 As stated in the OP, in this case there is no effort to join on the LW community unfortunately 😅
Is it possible to see who moderates a particular action if they don’t comment? These sort of posts and recently having my own post moderated for “politeness” (after implying some iamverysmart tool huffs their own farts) has lead me to believe the multiple groups having issues with LW moderation have good reason for it.
Like for this post, I want to understand people not wanting to split traffic when lemmy isn’t exactly swimming in it but I don’t know.
You can try to filter by mod in the modlog
Cheers, even though I messaged both the mod of the comm it happened in and the LW admin relay bot (and got ignored by both) I’m not sure I can be arsed. Feels like mod action should be more transparent but also, I can imagine that’d be shit to deal with as a mod too.
It used to say the name of the account that did the action. Then the code was changed to specifically hide that. Draw whatever conclusions you will from that.
Hard to say, I want to strongly disagree with it for the obvious lack of transparency but again if I were a mod I’d sorta get it. Cheers for the info.
Yeah, tbf it’s not that alone but more in combination with both the lack of modmail and how the posts get entirely blocked after removal, unlike on Reddit where they persist for anyone who has the URL. To have all 3 of these at once makes the authoritarianism more similar to what Reddit offers, down at the level of the user experience of how moderation works I mean.
Entirely agree. A mod mail at the least would be a big improvement.
These sort of posts and recently having my own post moderated for “politeness”
You are going to speak in the tone and with content approved by the mods or else…
That’s essentially the modding we get around here.
In tejas we call that censorship
.world modding around parasite CEO elimination really exposed this fact.
Yeah, this one is PTB territory for sure.
While balancing decentralized communities with making it easy to find and use communities is always going to be difficult, you don’t use your mod position and admin position to try and force whatever side you think is best. That is part of the reason multiple communities on multiple instances are a good thing.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of times where consolidating onto the most visible community for a given topic makes sense. There’s times it’s necessary even, rather than optional, particularly when one of the communities is on an instance where it’s essentially useless. But the whole reason lemmy works is it not being conglomerated entirely.
Yeah, .world is the biggest instance, so there’s a good bit of gravity. It makes sense for more niche, smaller, or hard to search for communities to land there. When a community is already going to have trouble being used, you remove as many barriers as possible. If I was going to start the C/ menwholookandsmelllikesasquatch , I’d start it on .world, not bumfuck.nowhere. Also, if I ever run my own instance, that’s what I’m going to name it.
But LoL? C’mon, lemmy can support multiples of that. Not even just two, you could have half a dozen and it would be fine. Moderation styles alone will give each their own vibe.
An example from reddit. I play a mobile game. The main, big sub on reddit for it is tightly moderated, with daily and weekly threads to streamline the usual questions and repetitive posts. So you get more dedicated players, doing deep theory crafting, min-maxing, etc. The smaller sub is definitely flooded with the usual noob questions posted fifteen times a week, but the vibe is looser, more prone to joking and casual play.
A game as big as LoL? You could have a dozen forums and each would be worth using for different reasons.
Which is another long winded tangent, but it points out exactly how useless the argument that the PTB was making is.
you don’t use your mod position and admin position to try and force whatever side you think is best.
Wait, how did they use their admin ability here?
I don’t pretend to understand the other stuff - especially the “off season” comments seem like there is more going on than a person who doesn’t play that game would understand. But mods and admin abilities at least are something I feel like I know more about!:-)
I love that one can actually hope to call out BS on the Fediverse.
lemmy.flatworld at it again lmao, my bet is that they want to control all the main communities on the fediverse (the irony lol) and you don’t seem like you would play ball
Doesn’t really have anything to do directly with LW. This is one person, who happens to be a mod of a community on LW, being mad at someone for having the same community somewhere else.Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂
I’m 100% behind Blaze.
- https://feddit.org/post/5632529
- https://feddit.org/post/6136500
- https://feddit.org/post/6965425
- https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
Someone on the LW Community Team, and able to lock down communities, has more rights than a normal LW mod
Edit: oooh, he’s part of the LW staff 😂
I’m 100% behind Blaze.
Thanks 😄
The strange thing is that I’m not completely against LW. The sysadmins do a great job, and offer a solid experience for a lot of users.
I usually post to LW communities like the ones I quoted above when it’s a topic I’m not really that invested about, or when it’s still niche on Lemmy, so having the main community on LW is just easier.
But on the other hand, when there’s a topic I care about, I usually indeed try to offer an alternative on another instance like Lemm.ee. Just seems healthier to spread communities across instances a bit.
There is a battle between ML and world for this.
Really need people seeding communities on smaller servers
i have never seen such drama from .ml, which would be odd since its run by the devs who built this platform for the fediverse in the first place
ML was first big instance and they control some key subs like privacy and Linux. So people go in there posting then quickly realizing mocking shepoor will not be tolerated.
World is way more aggressively for sure and is constantly causing drama with their neo lib narrtaive weaving. Permabans for news and politics subs for unsanctioned opinions is their MO
Tankies don’t do perma bans at least.
Not even a CLM. There’s no mod action take here. There could have been a random user asking the same. Since also YDI can’t apply here, I’m just gonna go with N/A and lock this thread as off topic due to Rule 1, sorry. I feel this is just fedi drama.Update after OP edit. PTB.
Mod action: https://lemmy.world/comment/14369112
You can check the modlog, but the comment was basically "feel free to crosspost to !leagueoflegends@lemm.ee " (which they did)
Edit: modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog/4457
OK that’s something else that wasn’t in the OP. Please update the OP so as to include it so people can judge this mod action. I’ve unlocked this again
Thanks, on it
Edit: done
PTB
Thank you for your assessment
Here’s additional context that Blaze conveniently left out.
https://lemmy.world/post/24470619
I’d be 100% on the Lemm.ee community if it had the history the LW one does.
This has very little to do with LW, and is about the effort I’ve put into this community over the last two years compared to Blaze’s efforts that started 16 days ago and seem manipulative and malicious.
Oh, so now you recognise that Blaze is a manipulative wanker? Yet you somehow missed this small fact when you blocked Carnivore community last week after being prompted by the same manipulative wanker?
Hello! 👋
I don’t pretend to even begin to understand a lot of the details here especially about the game itself (though I thought you made an excellent point about the “off season” to explain why the lower amount of posts was a temporary situation), but if it helps to hear an outsider’s perspective, wouldn’t the whole situation have been received better if you had offered a counterargument to the comment rather than simply remove it, i.e. as the recent LW announcement post was saying?
Though ultimately a mod’s community belongs to them and they shouldn’t have to put up with advertisements to other competitors in it if they don’t want. Was Blaze spamming such comments over and over rather than this being the first time? Did he ask and get permission first to promote the new community, or have some reason to think that the other had been abandoned? (Maybe that’s the “off-season” relevance part) - except even if the community had been, your account as a mod is still active, so why not ask you first?
Sadly it seems like there is some kind of communication breakdown between the two of you. Blaze is not perfect and even if meaning well, seems to have overstepped here - being a mod of one community does not entitle someone to make decisions about some other community. So that’s on him, but to state the obvious: just make sure that your reactions in return are up to your own standards, rather than allow the feelings of betrayal win the day.
It seems this could have been handled so much better on both sides. And yes, that’s easy for me to say from so far away, while much harder to do when it’s my own cherished works on the line:-).
I typically post about the North American league, which starts this Saturday. The professional scene is usually pretty quiet between November and January (inclusive).
https://lolesports.com/en-US?leagues=lta_n
The lemm.ee community effectively didn’t exist 16 days ago.
Then that is on Blaze for assuming things wrongly (best case scenario, unless there is evidence for worse). However, you posted that announcement saying that Lemmy.World mods must use words rather than going straight for the moderation tools right? So this isn’t a good look to use one set of rules for others but a different set for yourself? Admittedly I am too far away from this to see it properly, though if it helps, it does look like both of you made missteps here.
If they’re just saying something you don’t like, respectfully, and they’re not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
Hello,
Here’s additional context that Blaze conveniently left out.
How did I left this out as this is the first thing people see in the post that is linked both in the link and in the OP?
mate, listen to me, this is counter-productive. complaining that someone prefers to talk about a subject in a different instance just makes you look salty. If your community has more active people, and given than the fact that you built a whole app for it you seem to be very invested in it, it will organically become the de-facto one.
People will naturally orient themselves to whichever comm is the most active. Trying to force this activity by doing things like censoring links to other comms, will only backfire.
I even wrote an application 11 months ago specifically to make posts to this community.
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