• Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml
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        Okay but instead of making infantile suggestions that no one with any sort of adult mind think is even possible, including the US and Ukrainian Militaries, why don’t we talk about actually likely ways to end the war? Why are the two choices perpetual war and unilateral surrender? It sounds an awful lot like you want to fight “to the last Ukrainian”, to me.

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          Hmm, seems like you’re arguing in good faith.

          I never said those are the only two choices, but every peace deal that Russia has come to the table with either includes ceding large amounts of territory or giving up control over their government. Do you think the Ukrainian people would find any of that acceptable after everything Russia has put them through?

          Sounds an awful lot like you just want fascist Russia to conquer Ukraine.

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            We may have varying definitions of their territory, or maybe we’re looking at different proposed peace accords. Donetsk and Luhansk are recognized by Ukraine under the Minsk II accords as autonomous zones, contained within Ukraine, but not subject to its laws. So, if that’s what you’re referring to, that isn’t Ukrainian territory anymore than Turkish Kurdistan is Turkeys territory. I support the right of people to self determination, up to and including the right to declare autonomy.

            If that’s not what you’re referring to, then I must be behind, because that’s the last peace accord that I heard of.

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          That all depends on what you’d consider to be acceptable terms of a peace deal. Is it a deal that rewards the aggressors for their aggression?

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              🙄 Yes, we all know Russia started a thinly veiled proxy war in 2014 when the Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government, and then Russia escalated it into a full blown war when that wasn’t getting them the influence over Ukraine that they wanted.

              What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government. Aren’t communists supposed to be diametrically opposed to fascism? Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?

              Being in favor of China, as they are at least communists in rhetoric, I get. But really, modern day Russia? Marx would be ashamed.

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                  You’re not the left. The left hates you. You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.

                  You’re not at all anti-war either, you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”

                  The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.

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                    Hexbear.net was created during the middle of the George Floyd protests after r/chapotraphouse was banned. We have always hated cops and many of us participated in those protests. There are numerous emojis on our site hating cops including

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                    acab acab-2 acab-3 officer-down do-not-do-this no-police and many many more

                    George Floyd was brutally murdered by a pig who upheld white supremacy and all the other cops watched in support. It’s part of an ongoing reality of cops murdering innocent people just because they can. Cops are an inherent part of the white supremacist institution that is the American government. You will not find anyone on Hexbear who thought George Floyd should “stop resisting”.

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                  Woah there Z Grover. You do realize not all fascists are Nazis, right?

                  Russia is the lesser evil huh? Kinda sounds like you do like them, otherwise I can’t imagine the mental gymnastics you’d have to do to support them in conquering Ukraine.