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In my case I deleted instagram, instead of whatsapp I’m going to Matrix (I’ll see who I get there), I changed Reddit for Lemmy and I’m trying to find an active Peertube instance that allows for account creation, live, and uploading videos
Switching from WhatsApp to any other messaging service isn’t a realistic option for quite many places. I’d be more than willing to switch but of all the people in my contacts (including my entire customer base) there’s like 3 people using Signal but every single one of them has WhatsApp. Even the 60+ year olds.
This does not help.
There is always SMS for these.
Hey, wouldn’t it be great if Signal still supported SMS?
Personally I see no benefit in having them in the same application.
At least WhatsApp is encrypted and let you have propre group chat
WhatsApp’s a scam, anti-libre software.
Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.
So Matrix it is?
Loops will be open sourced later they say.
Is Loops open source? It will be! We plan on open sourcing the platform after it reaches a stable and easy to maintain state.
That means very little to me. Actions speak louder than words, and it would probably help the development of loops if it was actually open source.
That really is not a satisfying answer. It is incredibly nebulous and even if it did have a nice definition I guarantee most software developers will tell you a lot of software rarely reaches that state.
I can see why they might want to avoid 1000 GitHub issues bike shedding things but they could open source the code and just not have open contribution
Loops is anti-libre software confirmed.
Great graphic! The only things I use on this list are reddit and youtube. Trying peertube now. I’m confused about whatsapp and facebook messenger - don’t people just use the texting app that comes with their phone?
No one pays for SMS.
Nice to see the rear of them, was tough making the call to disconnect from a bunch of people, but I’ve told them where to find me. Hopefully it snowballs!
An change your email to protonmail or tutamail. Starve those gmails, outlooks, iCloud’s and etc
Protonmail aren’t necessarily worthy of the support, look up the recent news about them
Yes I noticed that, that’s why I changed to tutamail. It’s everywhere this neofascism wild capitalism thing
Where is matrix?
Right in the Signal box, it says “Or Matrix/XMPP”. It’s super tiny for some reason.
Hidden inside the whatsapp->signal box in tiny faint font. I was wondering why there isn’t a big “Discord -> Matrix”
Bad on-boarding
Here Revolt is suggested as an alternative to Discord which looks quite similar.
https://retro-gaiden.com/@Oregon_Pacifist/113929785493554770
So, is Matrix like halfway between Whatsapp and Discord? I downloaded it and I still don’t know much about it (not like I have ANYONE I know to test the app with). I felt like it was more Whatsapp-like
I already done my part. I only keep WhatsApp for professional reasons (and barely use it) but the rest is already done. 😁
I’m not really all that invested in trying out Friendica, because Facebook is basically the exact sort of social network service that I really don’t give a darn about. I wanted to check it anyway, but the only tangible information on what Friendica is about is the project/marketing page. I can’t browse the instances. If I go to your massive social platform, the last thing I want to see is just a brick wall of a login page. Then I looked at fedidb and… um, those aren’t huge user numbers.
So I guess I’ll keep posting on the services that seem more sensible to me, like Mastodon, Pixelfed and Lemmy.
Wouldn’t Matrix be a better alternative to Signal, since it doesn’t need a number? Maybe it has a too difficult learning curve to the average user, though
Matrix isn’t fediverse though. It is Federated but uses its own protocol
Well, Signal isn’t federated either, and doesn’t have a fediverse-like technology like Matrix does…
Loops.video isn’t accepting new users atm. Even if it was, I got in on early signup and I have next to zero functionality out of it rn. Just informing the curious masses
Yeah it’s no where near ready for mass adoption. It’s made a couple improvements, but it crashes every time I try to leave a comment.
Loops isnt even federated or open source yet. Deleted my account
I agree. If it’s not libre from the start, we should not trust it. The term “open source” is ambiguous; they could just put it under some restrictive open-source license and then revert to closed source later. If it’s put under a free software license like the GPL, then I’ll feel better.
Loops really isn’t ready for primetime. It’s too new and unpolished, and will need a bit more time.
I wonder if peertube can scale. YouTube has a whole sophisticated system for ingesting and transcoding videos into dozens of formats, with tradeoffs being made on computational complexity versus file size/bandwidth, which requires some projection on which videos will be downloaded the most times in the future (and by which types of clients, with support for which codecs, etc.). Doing this can require a lot of networking/computing/memory/storage resources, and I wonder if the software can scale.
Im using it now. I never used tiktok but i can see the draw now.
Youtube is probably the one that you can’t “Just Switch To Fediverse”
Youtube content is mainly by creators. If they won’t leave, there will be no transition. And unlike reddit posts, you can’t just reupload. Because they will copyright strike you and take it down. Also, videos take up a lot more space than just text and some low-res memes like reddit-type sites.
reddit is essentially a bunch of strangers talking to people, moving froms stranger Group A to stranger Group B is very easy to do. The reddit > Lemmy transition is probably one of the easiest. You’re just joining a new group of strangers.
For everything else, your contacts will also need to switch.
For Mastodon, the people you follow will also need to switch. This is even harder than getting your friends to switch.
Hear me out.
Creators should be hosting peer tubes. And they should host exclusively their own content. Fans of their can subscribe to whatever systems they want to pay and support.
For creators, it’s a backup for when YouTube the project inevitably fails. For fans as well. But it’s also a backup of their content.
Tech-savvy content creators, sure…
Your average content creator that wants to make Minecraft videos? Unrealistic.
I hate the monopoly Youtube has, but all of the federated alternatives have a learning curve the general public isn’t willing to deal with.
Not to mention it lacks any (ethical) monetization options. And the app is absolutely rudimentary, lacking even basic functionality.
Framasoft made it clear they don’t want to make it a Youtube alternative though, however it could be through plugins. So there’d have to be a company or cooperative using it as a base to build upon, which is actually realistic. Especially European ones; not because Asia wouldn’t be interested in being more independent on the US as well, but because Framasoft is from France and Europe actively works towards this goal anyway with lots of money behind it.
You also can’t just switch from whatsapp to signal. I have hundreds of contacts on whatsapp that message me constantly there, and 2 on signal.
A lot of youtubers make a living posting videos.
They dont have a good enough reason to risk going to a much smaller audience with no ads and no membership system
They also probably arent knowledgeable enough about computers to switch
Thank you, this covers everything I could have thought of!
I got the PeerTube android app. It’s very bare bones. As a first foray into peertube I’m not sure it’s the way to go. I think I’ve set myself up for failure.
Anycase, I’ll dedicate some time to try find some pocket of content I like tomorrow. Getting away from YouTube sure would be nice.
May I recommend NewPipe on android? It’s a proxy for YouTube/Bandcamp/Plus a bunch of other stuff including Peertube. As a creator, Peertube is nice, but yea, using it as a full time video watching platform just isn’t viable rn unfortunately.
NewPipe is awful for Peertube. You have to add AND SEARCH every single instance manually. It’s only useful if there is a creator on a specific instance that you specifically want to watch.
I’m surprised this hasn’t been said yet… but what I hate most about Signal is its requirement for a phone number. I don’t want to be identified, and I want to be able to create multiple separate accounts with different identities if I want to.
I also hate the fact that it’s a mobile-first service. Yes, there is a desktop application (and just one really crappy one at that), but it’s clearly designed to revolve first and foremost around your phone and be virtually impossible to use without one. As someone who hates writing on a 3-inch screen, this is a also non-starter for me.
I understand the arguments about perfectionism, but this is too much. I’ll stick with XMPP, Matrix and IRC, thanks.
I’ll
That’s why Signal’s spreading and your not.
It’s meant to replace people’s text messaging apps with .i imal barriers to entry. People’s existing SMS/MMS contacts aren’t stored by user account names, but by phone number.
When I added Signal to my device, I was able to open up my existing contacts and go.
They used to allow their client to be used to send unsecured SMS. Then they stopped. Whatever they thought they were doing, they killed the simplest path to onboarding laypeople they had. I kinda gave up on signal after that.
No ones pays for SMS.
My understanding from what you’re writing (and from this article) is that the phone number is really the account number. That’s all well and fine, but then they force you to verify that the number is yours (or at the very least, one that you have access to because you need to receive a confirmation over SMS), so you can’t use something more private. And sure, it makes it a little harder to find your new contact, but I don’t think it’s really that big of a deal - just exchange your other “account number” via some other channel.
Besides, don’t think for a second that when this identifying information inevitably falls into the wrong hands that it will benefit you in any way. “What are you hiding, citizen?” and all that bullshit.
The part of it that bothers me is the sense of entitlement that these companies exhibit. The “Give us your phone number or fuck off” sentiment is something I just refuse to accept. If Google forces us to do the same and we refuse, what makes Signal think that we’ll do it for them when they’re so much smaller by comparison? Especially when you’re trying to claim you’re more secure and private to people that much more tech savvy than average, this just comes off as not understanding your audience very well. I’m sure I’m not the only one that is holding out against using Signal because of this.
The last thing we need is more barriers to entry. People have hundreds of SMS /MMS contacts they’vebuilt up over decades. You can’t expect people to say “fuck all that” and start over from scratch.
And you also WANT verification unless you want some bot setting up an account with my phone number so they can scam people pretending to be me.
It really sounds like your issue with Signal is it’s not the correct service for your use. It’s like declaring a wrench bad because it’s not good at driving nails.
