My wife and I started talking about this after she had to help an old lady at the DMV figure out how to use her iPhone to scan a QR code. We’re in our early 40s.

  • Kumabear@lemmy.world
    57·
    1 year ago

    100% this.

    I have even noted a huge deterioration since I have been in the IT industry, and that’s just been since the mid 2000’s

    1. People have no idea how to do basic process of elimination troubleshooting anymore.

    2. They have no ability to look at logs and extrapolate what could be going on.

    3. They don’t understand how to use a search engine effectively anymore or how to rapidly filter through large amounts of information to find answers (I have no idea why)

    4. The ability to understand how the various bits of tech actually work together and how this is happening seems to be getting more and more lost. So then which things fail people have no idea where to start.

    5. More and more products as you said “just work”… Until they don’t and give you jack shit to go on.

    Basically just “oh… It didn’t work, try again later” nothing is more infuriating than something not working and also giving you no information to troubleshoot, it’s why I am basically allergic to anything made by Apple in particular but this is becoming more and more the standard.

    • Zonetrooper@lemmy.world
      48·
      1 year ago

      They don’t understand how to use a search engine effectively anymore or how to rapidly filter through large amounts of information to find answers

      This bit, at least, may be at least as much a fault of the environment - the increasing awfulness of search results these days. It used to be you could search a specific issue (e.g., “borked.exe high CPU usage” or “how to partition a drive”) and your first results would be relatively well-written sites run by actual tech people. More recently, though, it feels like:

      • The first 5-8 results are near-identical “help” sites that are 40% introduction, 40% basic troubleshooting steps, 15% “download our app!”, and 5% actually useful tips.

      • There are tech site results listed… but they’re from 2016, a different software version, maybe even a different OS.

      • "Okay, so, to fix this problem you first need… [SIGN IN TO CONTINUE READING]

      • If you’re very, very lucky, you’ll find a Reddit (or now, Lemmy) thread on the issue.

      I’d consider myself pretty technically savvy, and even I find it frustrating to search for IT info or fixes these days. The newest problem is AI-written answers cooked up for you on the spot, which are frequently completely unhelpful yet pushed to the top of the results.

      • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        14·
        1 year ago

        Exactly this.

        I’ve been tinkering with computers since the mid 90s, and I lost count of how many I built or repaired years ago, but now, using Google to check something I’ve forgotten just leads to sales pages and massively out of date articles that were ‘last updated’ three days ago.

        On top of that, you’ve got sites like the official Microsoft help site giving bad advice. Everything is just run sfc /scannow then dism /whatever. I genuinely saw a question recently where someone asked what to do when dism /online-cleanup doesn’t work, and the top answer, marked as correct by the mods was, run dism /online-cleanup.

        Online search results have been optimised for seo so much now that finding the right answer can be very difficult.

      • Landrin201@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        Don’t forget that those first 5-8 sites are all written by a aithat doesn’t know what it’s doing! You can tell those apart from ones written by a person because they cram as many keywords in different combinations as they can. Like, if you searched “windows 10 Firefox connection error” the first result will be:

        "How to fix Firefox Connection Error in Windows 10

        Firefox connection errors in windows 10 are annoying. Luckily, there is an easy way in windows 10 to fix Firefox conne tion errors. The Firefox connection errors in windows 10 can be caused by a few different problems. In this article we will explain how to fix Firefox connection errors in windows 10."

        It’s infuriating, because those articles inevitably are wrong about the solution, but they’re always the top results because they win the keyword battle. I use QWant for my search engine now, and while it’s WAY better than Google it still serves some of those sites up when I’m troubleshooting something because the keywords are just too strong.