The good old FAFO and the Gaza Ghetto has the possibility of becoming a resort. Always vote for the lesser of the two evils.
Well, the good news is that the topic likely won’t be an issue anymore in 2028 for disrupting non-GOP candidates
Love seeing all the pissed off abstainers get angry that they’re not being thanked.
It didn’t work in 2016. It didn’t work in 2024. Maybe next time? Oh wait…
Love to see the pearl clutching idiots ingesting the propaganda and teaching themselves to hate their neighbors over a strawman.
If you actually payed attention and looked at data, you would know that protest votes didn’t impact the election in any meaningful way
But I understand. It’s really easy to get poor people to hate each other as a control mechanism.
Someone told me that it was over now and we should just get over it. I swear to god, I vowed every day that I aruged against these fuckers, non-stop for 5 months, to throw this in their face and make them regret. I’m not going to make myself a liar. My high morals prohibit it.
None of it will mean shit when it’s 3 years down the road and I’m pleading, “do not make this fucking mistake again.” And they do it anyway. No, I want to shame them away from politics. I want to shame them to being active trump supporters. If there is no lessons learned then I get to enact revenge.
Sorry.
All out of sympathy.
Maybe if their trash decisions, after numerous warnings and pleas for common sense, didn’t lead to putting my own country in extreme jeopardy, I’d find the will to give a shit about their problems.
Hope they like the leopards shitting on their faces.
Start recalling Republican Congress reps/sens if you really do regret it.
Many of [the voters] stayed home, and some of them voted for Donald Trump," he said. "But they are now feeling very clearly that they made a big mistake. And, you know, sort of like the kid who gets in trouble and his parents send him to his room and he goes out there and starts throwing stuff around… in a pique of anger. All he’s got is a mess and that’s what we’ve got here.
Now that some of them have (maybe?) woken the hell up, I’d like to see a shit-ton of apologies from those that bought into the concerted gEnOcIdE narrative to put donvict into office.
I am pretty sure that most of those pushing that narrative are not going to apologize, because I know the type, and they are very stubborn. They pretty much got what they want - many of them are, at root, nihilists. And that’s just the ones that are not Russian trolls, who have mostly clammed up for the time being.
The loudest ones were Russian and Chinese bots sewing discord and hastening the USA’s decline.
concerted gEnOcIdE narrative
Disgusting wacko here.
Who demands an apology from the victims of genocide? Peak liberal entitlement to genocide.
Well, strawman arguments and calling me names is certainly a good argument. I guess?
It’s technocrit, I have them tagged as smagbrained troglodyte for a reason
Time for you to go back to grade school and work on your reading comprehension.
The post, and the commenter you’re trying and failing to talk down to, are talking about Muslim American voters. They are not directly genocide victims. They are people living in comfort in America failing to protect those in Palestine by making smart decisions at the polls.
No USA voter is the victim of genocide…what the fuck are you even talking about???
They aren’t regretting here yet. I make comments about it and get brigade against. Hey Dearborn Palestinians for Trump: you guys were completely ignorant, ignored everything that man said, and still held out hope he would be better for your people for some god known reason. Ya fucked up.
The election was three months ago. These constant attempts to relitigate it are just an attempt by the right to divide the left.
The truth is there is blame on both sides. Those who stayed home hold some responsibility, and the Biden admin is also to blame for shunning their own base.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right. Fuck the dividers. When someone tries to divide the left, call them out on it or downvote them to hell. They’re either a conservative or a Russian troll.
Eh.
I’m not ready to forgive the utterly ignorant fools who abstained from voting or voted 3rd party and helped put us in the situation we’re in.
They do not deserve to be forgiven. Especially this fast. I like accountability.
You have two guilty parties on the left side of the aisle:
- Centrist Democrats, who ignored the pleadings of their own base and chose facilitating genocide over winning an election.
- Myopic Palestine supporters who decided Palestine was the only issue that matters.
Get your head out of your ass. It is possible for both parties to be at fault. They were both playing chicken, and if either had blinked, the outcome may have been different. If two drivers are playing chicken, driving towards each other at high speed, and they end up colliding? You don’t try to argue who was to blame. You say, “you’re both fucking stupid” and divide the legal liability equally.
chose facilitating genocide over winning an election.
Would you prefer they lied about stopping support for Israel to win the election and then went back on the promise? Because there’s no reality in which the U.S. jeopardizes its most valuable ally in the Middle East. And changing up your stance on international politics to win elections every 4 years is how you end up with no allies. Both Harris and Biden repeatedly expressed disapproval of what our ally was doing. That’s the best we were going to get. And that’s way better than where we find ourselves now.
Get your head out of your ass.
It is. That’s why I voted for the best option for my own country AND for Palestinians.
The right didn’t need help to divide the left this election. The left did it itself. The American left splintered into toxic little sub groups who all hated each other, saw each other as unworthy allies and called each other fascists for being even slightly right or even left of each other. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at the left who so easily felll for the right’s manufactured war
Yeah. There were a lot of people saying they wouldn’t vote for Biden or Harris due to one issue, even though Trump wouldn’t be an improvement on that one issue they wouldn’t vote for Biden on.
Now they’re angry that Democrats have very little power to resist Trump.
There were even more people blaming any criticism of the DNC as an act to support Trump, so go ahead and continue fracturing your support base even after losing the election. I’m sure that’ll help you fight against fascism.
Well, Trump won, didn’t he?
And?
Those who stayed home hold some responsibility
Second most of the responsibility, actually (actual Trump voters take the most responsibility). They screwed up, and now we’re all paying the price.
But now we have bigger fish to fry. There’s a constitutional crisis on, and a united front is needed against the right.
Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology, forgive them, and let them stand with the rest of civilized humanity in countering Trump, Must, and their goons.
I’m talking specifically about the left side of the aisle. And there were two sides to blame. The centrist Dems and the myopic Palestine folks were playing chicken with each other, seeing who would blink first. Neither blinked, and they rammed head first into each other. If a game of chicken results in a collision, both sides are to blame.
You do understand that it is possible for both parties in a conflict to be equally at fault, do you not? The Palestine supporters had a very good point - the Dems were fucking stupid for supporting Israel the way they did. And the Dems had a very good point - myopic Palestine supporters were fucking stupid for focusing on that as the only issue that matters. They both had a point, and they were both fucking stupid.
Also true. If Trump voters and non-voters realize that they screwed up badly and want to work to fix it, then we need to accept their apology
I totally would. I have yet to hear one.
They’re still holding on to their moral superiority, which is all they cared about to begin with.
They will never realize this. They think game theory isn’t real and voting 3rd party means they’re better than Dems even though they enabled trump. It’s the worst virtue signaling possible. Gaza will pay the price for their hubris.
Hey, what’s the most famous example of game theory, and what’s the correct move to play if your fellow prisoner is saying they’ll betray you? How would you rate the strategy of the player announcing they’ll betray?
You trot out the term like you’ve unlocked some higher level enlightened objectivity that the unwashed (minority immigrant) masses have failed to comprehend, but then fail to actually apply even the most well known thought exercise. It’s not a synonym for rational thinking or having good foresight. It’s about how multiple actors make choices. For some reason your “game theory” philosophy seems to not consider the candidate as a participant.
The left is divided already. In the ways these folks voluntarily decided to do. It’s not now that others are pointing it out that the divisions are occurring. How much more gentle do others need to be around the ones who made this mistake? How much more hand holding?
The Left isn’t divided, it’s unrepresented.
The Democrats are a conservative capitalist party, which might be better than a fascist party but it’s still right-wing.
They aren’t regretting here yet.
How many pro-trump muslims do you think exist on Lemmy?
Y’all are crying about demographic groups that are statistically nonexistent.
I guess libs are the real victims of the genocide that they support. \s
Every single one that voted 3rd party helped trump…and there are tons on Lemmy.
You’re scapegoating 40,000 people who have lost family members in the genocide for not voting for the killers and using Dearborn as a slur at this point. Less people voted for Trump there than the national average. Keep proving you’re a Nazi.
Fuck the Nazis, but also fuck the conservative Muslims that can’t vote for a woman.
fuck the
conservative Muslimspeople thatcan’twon’t vote for awomangenocide.FTFY.
BROTHER THAT WOMAN GOT THE MUSLIMS VOTING FOR THE MUSLIM BAN GUY GET A FUCKING GRIP
Yeah she just made them by doing what exactly.
Chosing the only possible winner over trump isn’t a hard choice…yes I can swallow current genocide for Gaza to possibly still exist in the future. You picked accelerated genocide.
that can’t vote for a woman.
That wasn’t the reason and others have already given you receipts. You just can’t stand that your genocide isn’t as popular with Muslims as it is with centrists.
Fuck Isreal and what they did to the Palestinians. But I’m on the ground here and there were plenty of people that refused to listen to the words straight from Trump’s mouth. They held Muslims for Trump rallies. Their political and spiritual leaders told them to either vote for trump or abstain. They met with the man believing he would not only de-escalate but bring peace when he’s vehemently supported Isreal in the past. Complete stupidity and voting against their best interests. Now they live in fear of ICE stopping by their neighborhoods and sending naturalized citizens back, something unheard of before. Take some responsibility and make the necessary changes. I refuse to accept the Democrats going more conservative on things like gay and women’s rights. Either everyone has rights or no one does, and we are seeing the no one version right now.
Democrats are already going conservative on trans rights and immigration. You at once condemn other minority populations for refusing to accept the Democrats going more conservative while declaring your own personal red lines.
Your final declaration sounds like good principle, but if that were true we were already in the “not everyone has rights” category. It just sounds like you have the core rights that you feel that would be too far and then don’t allow other members of the coalition to have and value their own personal core rights.
But I’m on the ground here and there were plenty of people that refused to listen to the words straight from Trump’s mouth. They held Muslims for Trump rallies. Their political and spiritual leaders told them to either vote for trump or abstain.
What did you expect would happen when centrists ditched the only common cause the party had with Muslims?
Take some responsibility and make the necessary changes.
Because the party never fucking will. Ever.
I refuse to accept the Democrats going more conservative on things like gay and women’s rights.
Remember that when they do. Because they absolutely will. Resist the temptation to just point to their opponent and excuse everything Democrats do on the grounds that Republicans are worse.
You’re a low information voter
Motherfucker, literally 65% voted for women.
“Trump won 42% of the vote in Dearborn, with Harris receiving 36%.”
“Not voting for the killers” is REALLY a stretch here.
Honestly if Palestine is your one and only policy, not voting was the right choice.
It was well known from Trump’s first term, and everything the man has ever said, that he would encourage attacks on Palestinians vs the Dems who simply stood by and let it happen.
There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.
This isn’t what happened though. What we got was a vote between someone who will apologize while helping your enemy kill you, and someone who will help your enemy gleefully. The outcome is the same either way, one just has better optics.
“There’s a big difference between not voting for someone who won’t help and actually voting for someone who hates you and will unapologeticly help your enemy kill you.”
Not when you have first past the post voting. None of you actually realize you helped trump by voting 3rd party.
A lot of Dearborn’s Arab population is Palestinian and Lebanese and had/have family at risk of being killed. You know when those 2,000 pound bombs get shipped to Israel they actually get dropped on people and kill them, right?
Right. And then they voted for it.
It was happening whether they voted for it or against it.
You know when those 2,000 pound bombs get shipped to Israel they actually get dropped on people and kill them, right? … It was happening whether they voted for it or against it.
No it wasn’t. Biden had put a stop to sending those bombs to Israel (in May 2024), and trump immediately resumed sending them as soon as he took office.
https://www.ocregister.com/2025/01/25/trump-ends-bidens-hold-on-2000-pound-bombs-for-israel/
Yup, he just sent them at least 14,000 of them before doing that. More than all other bombs combined according to leaks. 2000 pounds bombs were in use in September in Lebanon.
Awwww. Maybe if people actually had been reading the news they may have seen this coming. Now it’s only the leopards.
Which news? The one that downplayed everything he said, or the one that never mentioned a single thing he said?
Every non fox like news channel covered project 2025, and fox even had a few stories. Sure, there could have been more alarm bells raised, but not many down played the seriousness of it. You’d have to be completely ignorant of his intentions to think he wouldn’t go through with almost everything he said he would. It’s still on them for somehow not believing it.
No no…it was the one that justified everything he said and sane-washed it as being “not that bad”.
Oh, the one that said “you can’t take what he says at face value”? Thank you for clarifying, I wasn’t sure.
Yeah mate! That one! The one that says “he’s just joking! No body is allowed to make jokes these days.” Unless he was actually serious, in which case, “it’s a masterclass strategy by our genius leader.”
You know…that one.
Yes ofc I saw this coming when the dems decided to support genocide. Another loser candidate. Who could be surprised?
Lemme know what the inside of the concentration camp is like. I hear it’s to die for.
Hope you’re enjoying Donald “Finish The Job” Trump.
Guess who’s face is being eaten right now, dude? Its literally yours…lol Get a fucking clue. You picked this.
Most muslims I know saw right through the bullshit, but it seems there is a growing dumb fringe in all communities. Two were very vocal about Biden but ultimately supported Kamala as (in their view) the obvious lesser evil. That even one would vote for the guy who put a ban on Muslims in his first term will always baffle me as the most stupid shit I’ve ever witnessed
Edit the n+1th most stupid after the nth things diaper don doesThey didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They needed “enough” Muslim voters. They peeled some off. And some voters on the economy and some voters on other issues.
The glaring issue with Palestine is that they were basically silent on it. Harris needed some daylight with Biden, but she chose the VP hat over her candidate hat and kept her mouth shut. (Or she doesn’t disagree with biden’s response. Which would also be problematic…)
I was so happy when she took over because she’d have the freedom to distance herself from Biden on the issues that were killing him (apart from the obvious senility). Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did. What a terrible terrible mistake.
yeah, I’m with you on that.
She could have been respectful. "as VP it’s my job to stand by my president, and I will continue to do that- as VP. but as a candidate? I gotta say here’s how I will be doing things differently… "
And lets just be completely honest with Biden on gaza- He spent most of that time giving Netanyahu a blow job even though Netty was fucking him over by supporting trump.
Which apart from the moral issues, really made it seem like he was not prepared to handle our current political situation. Netanyahu was lying to him over and over, clearly wanting to support his fellow far-right candidate, and Biden just blithely pretended they were the best of allies, never wanting to give any offense or entertain the thought that an Israeli leader might have his own agenda separate from the both us and the Israeli people.
So, like I’m going to preface this with saying its open secrets, so these are only reported numbers. (that list is the top 20 from 1990 to 2024, and is specifically members of congress, so I’m not sure if it includes donations during his presidential campaigns.)
but like. As a member of congress, Biden received more money from pro-israel groups than any other candidate. To the tune of 4+ million. His loyalty was bought. it was bought a while ago.
Holy shit, almost double the next person. Dude is in the twilight of his career, he could have told them to fuck off with little consequences at this point.
Which apart from the moral issues, really made it seem like he was not prepared to handle our current political situation. Netanyahu was lying to him over and over, clearly wanting to support his fellow far-right candidate, and Biden just blithely pretended they were the best of allies,
Pretended? They were and remain the best of allies. US democracy was secondary to whatever Netanyahu wanted.
Allies go both ways. Netanyahu was never looking out for the interests of Joe Biden or even the wider United States.
They had an interest in common: both of them wanted Biden to do whatever Netanyahu wanted.
Instead she just kept trying to make everyone knew she approved of everything he did.
And the refrain from the pro-genocide center was “she can’t undermine him! WhAt Do YoU eXpEcT hEr tO dO?!” But they were silent when she moved to his right.
They didn’t need all Muslim voters.
They certainly acted like they wanted zero of them.
Oh yeah.
the entire attitude was “Well, you’re not gonna go vote for trump, so, lets go after people who will never vote for me, instead.”
Which, I seem to recall trying to explain to Dems that this election was going to come down to who lost more of their base… I hate being right.
It’s a fringe that was a minority irrelevant to the election result but a favorite punching bag for liberals who’d rather do that than confront people in their own community and social networks. All the white racists they know get a pass, because they were just mistaken or misled, but they have passionate anger for minority voters who were witnessing an active genocide for not having 100% Democratic turnout.
We need to be very clear that white people, in almost every demographic - men, women, 18-55, 55+, non-college educated went solidly, majority Trump. THAT is the biggest problem, and it’s what needs to be fixed if the Republicans are ever going to get dislodged. Blaming groups that “only” voted 75-80% Harris is not helpful, and is exactly the kind of unproductive sniping the Republicans encourage and celebrate when we do it.
If you are not a white male billionaire, and you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote, you’ve made life worse for yourself (and everybody else) in multiple, awful ways, and should feel stupid about it. I’m sure most people will figure that out eventually, even if it is too late. Asking people how Trump has made their life better rather than telling them they’re idiots will probably get them there faster.
The Democratic party’s strongest, winning platform would to directly address the needs of people who work for a living, which is basically everybody, as opposed to the current “we rig the economy for billionaires… LESS!” Yes, Biden actually did many good things for working people, but he mixed it in with enough fellating the 1% that is was easy to make the (correct) conclusion that the wasn’t all in on it. Heck, Trump actually said some of the right things on that front. He was obviously lying, and anybody with a memory better than a goldfish (less than half the voters it seems) knew that, but at least he pretended to care about it.
Democrats need to focus on that. If that messaging ever got going seriously, Republicans would be too busy panic screeching about communism to spend their time telling people which bathroom they could use. The reason making tje economy work for the 99% isn’t front and center is because neither the Republican nor the Democratic leadership will allow that conversation to happen.
I still believe this was a targeted campaign to get dems to sit out. Their strategy is to spread as much shit as possible, and as soon as they see something that sticks, push it hard. It’s sad, but this strategy is extremely effective against the left because we’re all too eager to find a reason not to support the dems.
The only defence is to be aware of this strategy. Rather than shit on people, try to explain how they’ve been duped so next time they have a chance of noticing.
You’re right, and that’s why it’s the DNC/harrisncampaign’s fault.
Harris needed to put daylight on the issue, and instead just assumed “yeah but trump is worse” would actually be effective.
They didn’t reach voters and basically allowed gop propaganda and lies to reach their base without answer.
They just assumed voters were there like in ‘16, and this time the voters told them they weren’t. And here we are.
She should have done all of that, but they would have just found a different wedge issue.
So it’s inevitable?
No.
Democrats act like they’re entitled to votes.
They’re not. It’s their job, during a campaign, to attract and motivate voters. That’s how it works.
Is it fair that the republican base is easily motivated with racist fear and general bigotry? Not really. But that’s the job.
This is some revisionist bullshit. She told you how bad it will be. You said nuh uh.
Now the leopard is eating your face.
Y’all have so much hindsight, but ignore the complete stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on politics in this country. Coming out in support of Palestine would have been the death knell for any candidate.
Don’t overestimate the size of your demographic just because you choose to live in a bubble.
I’m sure it was advertised and amplified for electoral purposes, but this wasn’t some drummed up issue. No one made Biden send all that support or made Harris avoid the issue. This wasn’t some purity test for an obscure policy that the administration was powerless to change, it was a major moral issue that was directly related to their choices and fully within their power to address. No one should ever have been surprised to see Muslims being driven away from the party for ignoring a genocide being perpetrated with American weapons playing out across all our smartphones. Like, duh, of course they’re not going to turn out.
Here’s the very expert they’re quoting here warning the Democrats about it.
There is almost no greater wedge issue that could have been used to shatter the left.
Yes, actual leftists oppose genocide.
Actual leftist oppose fascism. You’re enabling this trump genocide and fascism at the same time. Your high horse is a dachshund. Sit down.
Doesn’t matter - their technique will always find the greatest wedge issue because they start by spreading insane amounts of shit and use monitoring to find which ones are gaining traction. All this is a guess, but it’s such an obvious strategy that I’d be amazed if it wasn’t how they’re working.
I’m from the U.K., so I was lucky enough to experience what I believe was a PoC of this technique during our referendum for PR voting. That time, there were two wedge issues: baby incubators and - I hope I’m getting this right because my memory is hazy - bullet-proof vests for soldiers. Neither of those things were remotely related to the question… but as soon as they started to gain traction, they were pushed hard. Brexit was more money for the NHS. With Jeremy Corbin, it was support for Palestine. With Kamela, it was lack of support of Palestine. None of it needs to make sense, so long as it works as a wedge.
You remembered correctly https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12564879
For readers outside the UK, it should be added that even if the UK somehow really couldn’t afford the tiny fraction of its budget that the ads describe, the number was utter horseshit too. Whether or not there was any truth never mattered
Made this months ago:
It’s just the usual wedge between leftists who oppose genocide and right-wingers who support.
Why is it a wedge issue? Why are there pro-genocide Democrats? There shouldn’t even be pro-genocide Republicans.
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Finally! On day 16 of 1460
“Expert” recites Democrat propaganda about blaming voters. Choir laps it up
Is this expert as expertly as Democrat campaign leaders?
I don’t think the expert is the problem here, during the election he wrote an opinion column titled “Democrats’ Unquestioning Support of Israeli War Crimes Puts 2024 at Increasing Risk”, it’s just that this news source has decided there’s more clicks in selling a “you didn’t do anything wrong my dear white affluent college educated liberal readers, it was those stupid fucking brown people” narrative to the 1996 crime bill defenders of the world
I love how in your opls minds the onus is always on the Dems to be perfect on every issue exactly how you want…or else you’re gonna help the GOP win.
Every fucking election you rubes let perfect be the enemy of good.
Haha okay. Next time try telling Democrats to make concessions to voters. Voters are too stupid to understand the lesser evil you keep talking about :)
You got duped!
Fuckem.
