Great that they’re discussing it. Less great that people are still like “no one is ever going to move to Lemmy, so let’s just ignore it and stay on the same or another centralized social media where we always are bound to someone else’s whims”. I posted a topic regarding anarchists staying on centralized platforms some months ago, and it still doesn’t make sense to me that many, often marginalized groups, trust large corporations to be the place where they can organize. I realize the barriers to entry are lower, and that more people are on those sites (so that you can reach more), but it’s still not logical at all in the end.
I hate to say this, but have you noticed how mentally lazy most people are? Using signal is easy. Bitwarden and randomized secure passwords is easy. I can’t get any of the normals in my life to make use of them. It’s too much mental labor to do something different. Something that isn’t forced on you by herd mentality and constant advertising spam.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
Many of us were caught up in that trap as well:-(. There’s Mbin if you want the same interface, but slrpnk.net is a perfectly fine instance and if you are happy with it there’s no need at all to bother:-).
non technical people don’t understand how computers work. for us it’s intuitive that a computer can have a program on it that listens to a port on the network and serves interactive web pages for for most people “app on phone does something” is all they know. their mwental model is shaped by large corpo offerings.
I think our pitch to the tech illiterate should be “hey look at this great website, great content, mods actually do their jobs, users are friendly” let them sign up thinking a particular instance is just like what their used to, then they discover on their own accord that some users have an extra @example.com at the end, and if they ask explain that there are other websites just like that one, and the websites can exchange messages so it all works like one big website. for apps, just tell them “when you launch it for the first time it asks for your server, just type in the domain name, this app supports multiple websites. good, now put in your username and password and you’re all set”
starting new people off in the browser might be a bit awkward on mobile but saving the federation talk for later is probably best. focus on the surface level appeal (a website that is good and doesn’t suck) and they can learn why it doesn’t suck later
The problem with that is, some instances are just shit, and new users that accidentally end up there will kinda lose interest before learning what instances mean.
Or any instance really that does not defederate from those. “For some reason nobody wants to join our Alt-Left Nazi bar over here… - why can’t people be smart enough to not choose the bear?” (/s btw, in case it was not blindingly obvious).
But Ada and https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ are hella impressive, and I don’t pretend to understand why the name “blahaj” is turning some people off, but I would think it’s an absolutely perfect opportunity to switch to?
I suppose that still leaves the issue of what to do to replace the wiki - perhaps a locked community with links structured in its sidebar to point to posts?
There are tools that can meet at least some of the needs being asked for, but nothing is perfect.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
Let’s also be honest, people just don’t know about Lemmy at all. There are a few communities here where I am sure that the tech literacy is average, but they do fine just because someone posted a detailed guide on how to setup their account, install an app and they’re set.
Lemmy is a good enough Reddit replacement, but it just isn’t known enough.
Another thing that might make it hard for people to stay even if they show up? If you have a lemmy.world account and view all posts from federated instances, the amount of furry lewds, giant futa horsecock, and pedo anime girl posts is astronomical. I think my instance blocking list is like 60+ lines long. Maybe we should post a guide for “how to unclutter your feed of yiff and 10 year old anime girls in suggestive poses”
I was kind of being sarcastic, because most people aren’t going to dredge through the slime to make their feed habitable, they’re just going to go right back out the door.
This is absolutely true. Most people reporting on Reddit (that I’ve seen, iirc) say that they leave bc of “tankies”, but regardless of the reason, the system of having to choose between a completely empty Subscribed feed vs… that on someone’s All feed is not ideal in the slightest.
PieFed has made enormous strides to deal with that - including a sign up wizard that subscribes someone to communities only within those topic areas that they indicate interest in, and then at any time for daily use there are Categories of Communities. So in this one respect that issue is “solved” - unfortunately PieFed isn’t ready for the masses yet in other ways (lacks a Preview option for comments/posts, user tagging, Notifications often show things that are inaccessible so clicking them very frustratingly goes nowhere, etc.).
On Lemmy, there are various apps that can help stop the deluge of content - or even on the web, do those communities all come from a specific instance, which could be blocked? But I don’t use any of those apps, and would barely know where to start looking up their various features.
It is in general far too difficult for someone to get into Lemmy in the first place - Blaze is helping solve this problem - and then once here, to want to remain more than a few hours to a day. Our tools are just too far behind Reddit, for those of us who don’t enjoy using Arch btw (translation: have an early adopter mindset, be willing to put up with frustrations, and endlessly configure our experiences rather than simply click and see an r/popular feed that has stuff that people like and very little to nothing that they do not).
I wouldn’t have put it that way, but it’s true that everyone here had to choose the slightly more inconvenient option when deciding where to scroll memes, and for that I applaud you all.
It’s not even “more” inconvenient. I use the same client to access Lemmy that I did Reddit (sync on Android). All I did was download the Lemmy version and sign up.
Great that they’re discussing it. Less great that people are still like “no one is ever going to move to Lemmy, so let’s just ignore it and stay on the same or another centralized social media where we always are bound to someone else’s whims”. I posted a topic regarding anarchists staying on centralized platforms some months ago, and it still doesn’t make sense to me that many, often marginalized groups, trust large corporations to be the place where they can organize. I realize the barriers to entry are lower, and that more people are on those sites (so that you can reach more), but it’s still not logical at all in the end.
I hate to say this, but have you noticed how mentally lazy most people are? Using signal is easy. Bitwarden and randomized secure passwords is easy. I can’t get any of the normals in my life to make use of them. It’s too much mental labor to do something different. Something that isn’t forced on you by herd mentality and constant advertising spam.
I honestly think one of the reasons I love Lemmy is because the people that come here are the people mentally active enough to think outside of the cages mainstream social media builds for us.
we’re all burnt out from life bending us over. I intended to sign up here for a couple months and onlu just got around to it.
I’m happy you got around to it! Welcome!
Welcome here!
thank you. I used kbin.social before it went down and only got around to getting back on the bandwagon.
Many of us were caught up in that trap as well:-(. There’s Mbin if you want the same interface, but slrpnk.net is a perfectly fine instance and if you are happy with it there’s no need at all to bother:-).
I get your last point but I wish there were more regular people to fill up all the non-tech coms…
People always say that choosing a server is too complicated so new users often don’t get past that.
If that’s all it takes to stop people they weren’t very interested to begin with.
non technical people don’t understand how computers work. for us it’s intuitive that a computer can have a program on it that listens to a port on the network and serves interactive web pages for for most people “app on phone does something” is all they know. their mwental model is shaped by large corpo offerings.
I think our pitch to the tech illiterate should be “hey look at this great website, great content, mods actually do their jobs, users are friendly” let them sign up thinking a particular instance is just like what their used to, then they discover on their own accord that some users have an extra @example.com at the end, and if they ask explain that there are other websites just like that one, and the websites can exchange messages so it all works like one big website. for apps, just tell them “when you launch it for the first time it asks for your server, just type in the domain name, this app supports multiple websites. good, now put in your username and password and you’re all set”
starting new people off in the browser might be a bit awkward on mobile but saving the federation talk for later is probably best. focus on the surface level appeal (a website that is good and doesn’t suck) and they can learn why it doesn’t suck later
The problem with that is, some instances are just shit, and new users that accidentally end up there will kinda lose interest before learning what instances mean.
Or any instance really that does not defederate from those. “For some reason nobody wants to join our Alt-Left Nazi bar over here… - why can’t people be smart enough to not choose the bear?” (/s btw, in case it was not blindingly obvious).
But Ada and https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/ are hella impressive, and I don’t pretend to understand why the name “blahaj” is turning some people off, but I would think it’s an absolutely perfect opportunity to switch to?
I suppose that still leaves the issue of what to do to replace the wiki - perhaps a locked community with links structured in its sidebar to point to posts?
There are tools that can meet at least some of the needs being asked for, but nothing is perfect.
Strong agree. I posted similar thoughts on https://slrpnk.net/post/18168206
That’s my usual approarch: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/30081093?scrollToComments=true
!fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Let’s also be honest, people just don’t know about Lemmy at all. There are a few communities here where I am sure that the tech literacy is average, but they do fine just because someone posted a detailed guide on how to setup their account, install an app and they’re set.
Lemmy is a good enough Reddit replacement, but it just isn’t known enough.
Another thing that might make it hard for people to stay even if they show up? If you have a lemmy.world account and view all posts from federated instances, the amount of furry lewds, giant futa horsecock, and pedo anime girl posts is astronomical. I think my instance blocking list is like 60+ lines long. Maybe we should post a guide for “how to unclutter your feed of yiff and 10 year old anime girls in suggestive poses”
Never seen those myself, but I disable NSFW.
Could be a good idea, probably something to post on !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca
I was kind of being sarcastic, because most people aren’t going to dredge through the slime to make their feed habitable, they’re just going to go right back out the door.
This is absolutely true. Most people reporting on Reddit (that I’ve seen, iirc) say that they leave bc of “tankies”, but regardless of the reason, the system of having to choose between a completely empty Subscribed feed vs… that on someone’s All feed is not ideal in the slightest.
PieFed has made enormous strides to deal with that - including a sign up wizard that subscribes someone to communities only within those topic areas that they indicate interest in, and then at any time for daily use there are Categories of Communities. So in this one respect that issue is “solved” - unfortunately PieFed isn’t ready for the masses yet in other ways (lacks a Preview option for comments/posts, user tagging, Notifications often show things that are inaccessible so clicking them very frustratingly goes nowhere, etc.).
On Lemmy, there are various apps that can help stop the deluge of content - or even on the web, do those communities all come from a specific instance, which could be blocked? But I don’t use any of those apps, and would barely know where to start looking up their various features.
It is in general far too difficult for someone to get into Lemmy in the first place - Blaze is helping solve this problem - and then once here, to want to remain more than a few hours to a day. Our tools are just too far behind Reddit, for those of us who don’t enjoy using Arch btw (translation: have an early adopter mindset, be willing to put up with frustrations, and endlessly configure our experiences rather than simply click and see an r/popular feed that has stuff that people like and very little to nothing that they do not).
Instance admin can always hide community. See this post: https://programming.dev/post/24973600
At some point they probably have to establish a list of communities that should be hidden
On world, have NSFW enabled and Im not seeing this?
I seek out NSFW and don’t see it in any kind of browsing either except on lemmynsfw
I don’t know, maybe it’s been cracked down on, and I never noticed because I blocked so many instances and communities over the past year.
I wouldn’t have put it that way, but it’s true that everyone here had to choose the slightly more inconvenient option when deciding where to scroll memes, and for that I applaud you all.
It’s not even “more” inconvenient. I use the same client to access Lemmy that I did Reddit (sync on Android). All I did was download the Lemmy version and sign up.