Summary

Jocelynn Rojo Carranza, an 11-year-old girl from Gainesville, Texas, died by suicide after enduring months of bullying over her family’s immigration status.

Classmates allegedly mocked her and threatened to report her family to ICE. The school was aware of the bullying but failed to notify Carranza’s family.

Her mother, Marbella Carranza, only learned of the harassment after her daughter’s death and is now working with investigators and the school to understand what happened and why she was not notified.

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        2 days ago

        Okay hear me out. I give this one single try. If you do not take your time to think about this and double down on your ignorance I will not further engage.

        A little girl has been bullied to a point where she saw no other option than ending her own life. This is huge. It’s one of our must fundamental instincts.

        She was murdered. By her bullies, by the system, by everyone who enabled this to happen. She was murdered.

        Questioning whether she was fully aware of the consequences shifts the blame from the offenders to her. You imply an overreaction. You imply that the griev, drama, and negative emotions are in no relation to what she has been through. You question whether she has reached out for help enough. You question whether she tried.

        Rest assured: she did. https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/341671/9789290228578-eng.pdf?sequence=1

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          In defense of nuance, I think this take is pretty unreasonable. I understand if you want to call people out for victim-blaming, but it’s very clear the commenter had no malicious intent by wondering about details about the tragedy. Why are we so eager for villains?

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          I don’t really care whether you engage.

          It’s an absurdity to suggest that my comment shifts blame to an 11 year old victim.

          Sure ok maybe some asshole Alex Jones type might try to say she over reacted, and they might do that by undermining her agency.

          That doesn’t mean that someone wondering about what an 11 year old’s understanding of suicide might be, is doing anything other than grieving for our collective loss of innocence.

          It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder in trying to process the death of someone so young.

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      3 days ago

      Blame?

      I kinda wonder how aware she was of the consequences of what she was doing.

      That’s not blame.

      That’s a perfectly normal thing to wonder.

      1. Was the bullying so bad it caused 12 year old suicide?
      2. Or being 11, did they have a fully comprehensive understanding of what suicide is?

      These are both very plausible and terrible things.

      No 'blame" in there. Get off that soapbox and back onto earth.

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        1. yes, it was? because it did? i don’t understand what part of this you’re still wondering about. it already happened.
        2. no one does. what is “fully comprehensive” anyway? like how far does it go? no one can tell what the full ramifications of a suicide can be. doesn’t matter the age. if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know. an 11 year old isn’t a baby.
        3. soap boxes aren’t that tall. no matter where you find them, you can be sure they’re squarely on earth.
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          if the question is about whether or not they know about what death is, then yes they know

          It’s not that simple though is it.

          An 11 year old can probably explain what death means, but not really understand the permanence or significance of the event especially in the context of the transience of bullying.

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            I don’t think you’ve met an 11 year old or maybe even been one. they understand it as much as anyone in that situation would. point being no one in that situation fully does. that’s not the state of mind that typically leads to suicide.

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              I don’t think you’ve met an 11-year old. They’re typically incapable of doing things so traumatic that a person with an comprehensive understanding of life and suicide would take the suicide option. The stats are so insignificant they can barely be acknowledged.

              I find it quite crass that you’re so staunchly opposed to other people.contemplating multiple explanations for such an ordeal. First you throw in the word “blame” out of context, but I think it’s worse that you’re putting this much energy into keeping the narrative in such a black and white manner for what can only be assumed is that it best suits your political views.

              As said before—and whether you fit into it or mot—its normal human behaviour to contemplate and consider such things, especially with death. You can’t lash out at people for being normal just because you don’t like it.

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                  Heh, well then I went a step too far in the direction. That can only lead to any relevant point I had being immediately discarded for the “win”.

                  Oh well… I’m sure she cares.