• humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    Dead right. Specifically normalization of relations with China and Russia. I understand NATO/allies willingness to increase sycophancy to US under Biden (reaction to Trump45), sacrificing their economies for what was really primarily a war on Europe through Ukraine proxy vs Russia, but total sycophancy never gets rewarded.

    NATO/EU establishment leadership only knows “liberal rules based order”. US approved democracy, and liberal freedoms, is awesome, but it shouldn’t be a basis for supremacist war on anyone you declare to be US/CIA unapproved democracies despite the massive propaganda/operations used to force US approved election results.

    The most critical step for our allies here is the abandonment of the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency. To effectuate this, their central banks must begin to dramatically reduce their dollar holdings, shifting reserves to a basket of alternative currencies, while developing new multilateral payment systems that don’t depend on American-controlled financial infrastructure.

    The key here is to never let the US cripple your nation with sanctions. It is far more important to avoid US market investments, because the perspective of bullying you that “selling stuff to US is taking advantage of the US”. Diversify trade through world, especially with nations that can stand up to the US.

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    Nah, we should just take care of ourselves and wait it out.

    Americans are not bad people, their actual government is, they’ll come around.

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      I disagree. US allies might need to be prepared to put the US down like a rabid dog.

      The rest of the world is not ready for the next fascist dictator to rise in the US. We might never be ready for it. When Hitler rose in power, Germany was defeated and weak. That’s not the case in the US.

      Also, despite all claims to the contrary from both sides, the US is a democracy. Our government is the government we chose, regardless of how we got there. There are plenty of bad people in the US.

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        I hate to say it, but US allies could ally themselves with literally every single other country on earth, and still not have the ability to put the US down like a rabid dog. We have the 5 most powerful military organizations on the planet. The best they can hope for is that we have a civil war to depose the dictator, and there isn’t too much collateral damage.

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          I’m curious which war you think the US won last? Won on their own? Not saying their capabilities are not significant and overwhelming, but the finishing the job successfully part has been lacking.

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            From the US standpoint, they were all successful. “Winning” wasnt the goal, destabilization and installling a “friendly” government has been the goal.

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              I agree, but I am curious on their opinion. They seem to think 300 million people could take on billions be not destroy themselves and everything else in the process of “winning”.

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          If you were to ask what is the largest, most powerful air force in the world, it should come as no surprise that the answer is the US Air Force.

          But what if you were to ask what is the second largest air force in the world? You might expect the answer to be China, maybe Germany, etc. But you would be wrong. The second largest air force in the world is the US Navy.

          This is why it’s so important that every other country view the US as a threat. It gets even worse if the US were to ally itself with another threat, such as Russia.

          Fortunately, all of the developed countries could start a military buildup under the guise of “pulling their own weight”/independence from the bloc without raising alarms among the US fascists.

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            Strangely, I think allying with Russia actually reduces the threat from the US.

            Sort of like if you have two great employees on your team and you hire an idiot you go from getting two employees worth of work down to 1.5 since now they have to spend more time trying to train the idiot and/or fix his mistakes.

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          The only hope for the rest of the world if it comes to that is that the current administration is doing so much to damage the US that we may not be as effective when the time comes. “Loyalty to the dictator” is not a good measure of a soldier.

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          We have the strongest military on the planet, but not even we have the ability to fight the whole world, if it came to that. To even suggest that one nation could fight on so many fronts is absurd. We would get our shit kicked in until we fell back to the mainland US, at which point no country on earth has the amphibious capability to land a large enough beachhead to resist being pushed back into the ocean.

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            We could probably fight the whole planet, defensively. Blockade the suez canal, the Indian ocean, and the Panama canal. Every single country worldwide collapses in less than a month. It would cripple our economy, but we could put the rest of the world into an unconditional surrender position.

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              What are you even talking about? We literally had the Suez canal blocked for half a month a couple years ago, and the whole world continued as if nothing had happened. You’re sipping from the American Exceptionalism kool-aid a little too much if you think that the US would be able to blockade three of the most important transit locations, two of them guarded by multiple nations with nuclear power, and get away with it.

              We absolutely would not win a war against everyone on the planet, even defensively. The idea that India, China, and Russia would just sit aside and “unconditionally surrender” is so laughable that I cannot help but wonder if you’re currently under the influence of mind-altering drugs.

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                Sorry this situation assumes that no one uses nukes. With nukes, yeah we can’t do it. Without them I’m pretty sure we have enough carriers to shut down world shipping in three places at once.

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                  And even without nukes, you think the whole world combined wouldn’t be able to wipe out a few carriers, assuming they didn’t just ignore them and take the longer way around? Tell me, in how many wars have modern US carriers fought ships from modern navies? Can you tell me how many anti-ship missiles a carrier and its screen could successfully defend against? What do you think about the report the US Navy released that said, in simulated war games, US naval ships were only able to stop attacks from a drone swarm roughly half the time? Now tell me which world superpower that might be hanging around the Indian ocean has invested billions in drone tech, and just launched their first drone aircraft carrier? A nation that is just one of several that now has drone carriers as warships?