That’s because fascists make you look at a problem and then suggest themselves as the solution. Whatever problem ruffles the most feathers will be part of their campaign. In Trumps case it’s immigrants, deep state, and wokeism. The rest of his agenda gets ignored. Tax cuts for the rich, power to the president, imperialism, etc. It’s all meaningless as long as you are mad at something.
They support his agenda. Just not when it happens to them, they just want others to suffer.
“He’s not hurting the right people”
-some piece of shit from his first term.
So, they are just dumb right? He said exactly what he was going to do.
They wanted to own the libs.
The dog caught the car
Remember when we told everyone what he was going to do and millions of voters told us we were fearmongering, lying, exaggerating, or that he “didn’t mean it”?
I used to love being right. Now I fucking hate it.
You can do both. I regularly slap down mofos who say “I didn’t vote to lose (government subsidies they need to survive)”
Oh yes you did! brings up the section of project 2025 that brutally guts said subsidies
Genuine and serious question: Where does that get you?
As good as it may feel to call these people out for their ignorance and stupidity (and yes, they were very ignorant and very stupid), what is it actually doing to help stop Trump’s agenda right now?
Telling them off might feel good, and right, and incredibly justified, but it’s not going to win people over.
What America needs right now is a mass movement against Trump’s agenda, and a big part of building that movement is going to have to be reaching out to those people who are disgusted with the reality of Trump’s agenda and bringing them into the fold, even if they helped put it in motion in the first place.
So what’s your communication approach, then? Remaining ignorant piles of shit won’t exactly make them change their minds, either.
Help them out of their ignorance. Start by agreeing with their frustrations and then continue to explore common ground from there.
And when I say “agree with their frustrations” I mean the stuff that you can legitimately agree on. Start with this tax plan, which fucks over anyone making less than about $300,000 a year. Maybe let them know that Trump instituted similar tax cuts last time around; that this isn’t a one time mistake. Maybe help them to understand that a lot of the moves Trump and his team are making right now are straight out the Project 2025 playbook; studies showed that the more people learned about Project 2025 the more they hated it. Trump had to pretend he knew nothing about it, so showing them that he’s now following it to the letter might get you somewhere.
Find the places where you can agree, and work from there.
And it’s been like that since 2016. These people never learn.
Since 1968
People were mad at the status quo. When times are shit, change can seem attractive.
Even if in reality the change presented by Trump only makes shit worse.
So happy they’re getting what they voted for!
Don’t worry, I’ve been assured that nothing has changed, this is all business as usual, and I’m a filthy liberal for saying that the past month alone has been utterly fucked to a disproportionate degree.
And also furious that we’re getting what they voted for!
I’ve been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point and damn do I hate being right all the time
I’ve been fucking Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park for the better part of a decade by this point
He must be exhausted. Give the poor man a break.
Does he know about this? Is he in the room with you right now?
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
Remember when we told Democrats if they ran Kamala she would lose and she did?
Literally no. I remember a good ~8 months of “Run ANYONE except Biden, even Kamala, and I’ll totally fall in line and vote against fascism pinky-promise” that went silent once Biden was actually replaced, though.
Maybe you need a different echo chamber? Just like I told people that gen z and the podcast bros weren’t guaranteed votes. And Hispanic and black males… It’s just like when you guys told us “Bernie wasn’t cheated at the dnc and if he was cheated he wouldn’t have won anyway.” 🙄
Fundamentally, if you voted for Trump you do support his agenda. That’s how voting works.
You just don’t want to own it.
They think they’ve “won” as if we didn’t all lose
What lies. Trump was openly a piece of human shit and voters got what they voted for. The people that voted for him do get to take responsibility for the complete shit show we will experience going forward.
It’s obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn’t act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.
People see: “economy is bad” so people vote out whoever is in power and vote in whoever screams the loudest that they have a magical fix. I would be shocked if the average trump, AFD etc. voter spends more then 15 minutes researching their vote (outside the endless stream of political content on yt and tiktok).
True, only with Trump we already had a round of him trying to run us into the ground while trying to sell off everything not bolted down, while also golfing like he was on the PGA tour (quantity NOT quality), and up-charging his secret service detail and foreign “reps” that stayed at all his properties and funneling all that illegal money back into his coffers while funding everything he did on tax payer dollars.
But yeah, he was clearly the choice to “stick it to the man”.
It’s obviously pretty stupid, but we shouldn’t act like the Americans are especially dumb, this is happening all over the globe.
Is it really, though? Which other first-world country would you say is even remotely as far down the rabbit hole of idiocy as the USA?
Argentina, Brazil, Germany to an extent, France is flirting with it, Italy, the Netherlands (my country) is fucking around and finding out, Hungary has been at it since before it was cool, Indonesia elected a literal was criminal. And that’s all the cases I know about.
Canada has also been flirting with it, and UK kind of already did it in a different way. There’s probably quite a few more. I’m glad you’re at least bringing up the diversity of these populations; even Russia has some good citizens ultimately hopeless at situations that are out of their control (although US has some ways to go before they round up all dissonance).
Other than Hungary those examples are not even in the same postal code as what’s happening in the US, let alone the same ballpark. Argentina and Indonesia were always a clusterfuck, and were never first-world countries.
Did you forget about the previous Polish fascist piss government? Or Hungary, Italy, The Netherlands, and there’s probably more that I’m forgetting.
Oh please, for instance AfD got 20% of the vote, and have no real power, because Germany has an actually functioning democracy.
But yes we hear a lot of warnings against AfD, because they are like MAGA, difference is they can’t disrupt everything with lies like in USA. Because in EU you have responsibility when using your freedom of speech. You can’t parrot some idiot making history falsification, ands claim you are just “reporting” it. Unfortunately the old East Germany is unhappy with the state of things, and want to go back to before the country was split. Which means they want Nazi Germany back.this is happening all over the globe.
This is textbook false equivalence.
Exactly. Americans are very quick to deflect and turn to whataboutism when held responsible for their actions.
You know what? At this point it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t.
I didn’t wanna get all BlueAnon at first but some of the shit these assholes have said are almost hinting that they rigged some swing states and just have to fucking brag about it.
Well of course, because the only trait they were really interested in was that he wasn’t the other guy.
Politics has become tribalist nonsense.
They wanted him in the white house, but they also wanted the democrats to stop him from implementing the crazy stuff he proposed. They wanted a reason to complain about democrats blocking stuff - then democrats came up a couple of votes short in both house and senate.
People didn’t vote for Trump, they voted against Biden.
This chart might be a little bit out of date by this point, but the basic pattern it’s pointing out is still pretty obvious
That’s an extremely simplistic model, when in reality the way to fascism, is that the democracy fails to protect itself against it.
This happens easiest in new or flawed democracies, and USA is very much a flawed democracy. Where all the checks and balances don’t work, when the executive branch is filled with corrupt traitors that don’t give a shit about decency or democracy.In a democracy the parlament can overthrow the government, and end its control with the equivalent of the executive branch.
AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.Americans probably thought they were safe, because they have about 200 years of tradition for democracy, so they thought it was so ingrained that it couldn’t fail, because the country is built on it, and the institutions would protect it.
in reality the way to fascism, is that the democracy fails to protect itself against it.
Yeah, uninspiring centrists don’t like to do the whole protecting democracy thing because it might be controversial, so not really seeing your disagreement with this (admittedly simple and meme-ified) model
USA is very much a flawed democracy. Where all the checks and balances don’t work, when the executive branch is filled with corrupt traitors that don’t give a shit about decency or democracy.
Couldn’t agree more
AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.
It’s called impeachment under our system, but I think that’s a lot higher vote threshold than a general no confidence vote like what I think you’re suggesting would be
And yeah, our legislature being filled with the same kind of corrupt traitors that don’t give a shit about decency or democracy as our executive makes this essentially impossible
Americans probably thought they were safe, because they have about 200 years of tradition for democracy, so they thought it was so ingrained that it couldn’t fail, because the country is built on it, and the institutions would protect it.
I would also blame the uninspiring centrists who didn’t want to upset their potential voters by telling them the truth about the dire situation we were/are in. Everytime they brag about some bipartisan legislation like bipartisanship with fascists is a good thing the picture gets muddier for the average voter.
It’s called impeachment
But can an impeachment REMOVE the president? And if so, is it then just the vice president that takes over, making it essentially the same administration.
In a parliamentary system, you can remove the entire government with just a simple majority. That’s equivalent to removing the ENTIRE administration.I would also blame the uninspiring centrists
Absolutely, there’s a reason politicians like Bernie and AOC are popular.
Everytime they brag about some bipartisan legislation like bipartisanship with fascists is a good thing the picture gets muddier for the average voter.
Excellent point.
Our uninspiring centrists also sent Trump a get well card after he was shot. They also were calling him a fascist. They sure seemed comfortable with fascists the whole campaign
AFAIK congress cannot overthrow a president for being unworthy or acting illegally.
Yes it can- this is literally what the impeachment process is. The problem is what happens when you have a political party that is every bit as guilty and refuses to charge or convict an obviously criminal president.
I confused myself a bit there, because the systems are so different. Here with a parliamentary system, if the PM is no longer trusted, parliament would usually make a no confidence vote for the entire government.
The real problem is that even if the President is removed, the administration remains mostly the same, I assume that makes the vice president the new president. And the administration can continue the corrupt dealing.
So the whole administration needs to be impeached, so the new President becomes the majority leader of the senate, (I think is the person next in line after VP.) Who is then free to build a new administration, independent of the one the corrupt president had built.
Except biden wasn’t on the ballot, harris was.
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How many times and how many ways did she need to say she would be exactly like Biden?
Like, there’s some irony in you being unaware of what voting for Harris was voting for, in a thread about trump voters being unaware of what their vote meant…
I never heard it once.
Welp, that’s on me for over-estimating American voters in 2025…
I should not have done that, that’s my bad.
Vice President Kamala Harris was asked by the co-hosts of The View on Tuesday whether she would have done anything differently than President Biden, responding “not a thing comes to mind,” before coming back to the question and adding that she plans to appoint a Republican to her Cabinet if she is elected in November.
“I’m going to have a Republican in my Cabinet,” Harris said. “I feel burdened by letting pride get in the way of a good idea.”
“You asked me what’s the difference between Joe Biden and me, well that will be one of the differences,” she added
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-view-republican-cabinet-1965824
Now, she does say she’d have a Republican in the cabinet and that makes her different…
But Biden went as far as saying he was considering a Republican as VP…
While campaigning in New Hampshire, Biden said that while he couldn’t think of a specific Republican off the top of his head, there are “some really decent Republicans” but the more “well-known” members of the GOP need to “step up” against President Donald Trump.
So I don’t see much of a difference between the two claims
Traitors voted for Trump.
Dems couldn’t have run a worse campaign if they tried.
and people don’t want to acknowledge that maybe they did, because “both sides” is a fucking meme to stop you from looking behind the curtain.
Americas owners got exactly what they paid for and the people think it was their idea.
Get rid of FPTP to open the door to third parties in the US.
They didn’t vote for Trump, they vote for “whatever the liberals hate”.
They don’t care if they suffer too. They only want to watch the “others” hurt.
One of my favorite quotes is “A Republican would eat shit if they thought a liberal would have to smell their breath.”
