• acargitz@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    6 hours ago

    If the UN fucking rapporteur deems it reliable enough, and if the UN HRC hasn’t found reason to retract this report, then I have zero reason to believe some internet rando that it has been debunked. For all I know, your one liner responses are no different from pro-Zionist hasbara casting doubt on UN reports on Palestine.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      5 hours ago

      Someone should tell that UN reporter to stop using anti-semitic US state department sources then.

      Some sources debunking this are

      For all I know, your one liner responses are no different from pro-Zionist hasbara casting doubt on UN reports on Palestine.

      Also notably, it’s the WUC (a far right org that again your reporter cited) that supports Israel.

      • acargitz@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        3 hours ago

        Are you joking? You must be joking, right?

        Diplomats from 30 Muslim countries visited China’s Xinjiang region

        A delegation of envoys and senior diplomats is not a fact finding mission. It is wining and dining and saying nice things. Give me a break.

        US State Department accusation of China ‘genocide’ relied on data abuse and baseless claims by far-right ideologue

        I’m supposed to discount the UN Special Rapporteur because I’m supposed to believe the ramblings of the website of a RT contributor? Do you have any Breitbart sources too?

        The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified

        Opinion pieces are what we call “debunking” now?

        Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act Builds on Work of NED Grantees

        The US funding something via a quasi-independent organization (that Trump is defunding) is proof of the US funding something. It is not proof that the allegations are wrong, that’s just a version of the ad-hominem fallacy. During the Cold War, in Greece any remotely credible link to the USSR was used to crack down on trade unions, political organizations etc. Same thing happened during the Grande Noirceur in Quebec with the “padlock law”. Sumud in Canada has recently been banned as a terrorist front for having “links” with Palestinian resistance. The pattern here is common: instead of addressing what is being said, there is an attack on “the links” of the one saying the thing. It’s a cowardly, lazy and fallacious arguing tactic that I reject on its face.

        [Xinjiang Vocational Education and Training Centers] prolewiki Xinjiang_Vocational_Education_and_Training_Centers

        “Prolewiki”? Give me a break. What’s next, the conservapedia or the uncyclopedia?

        Some Youtube video

        Awesome bro.

        [US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire] Consortium News

        Some people of ethnic group X did something (according to random internet sources). Ergo… nothing bad can possibly be happening to ethnic group X?

        A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China

        Reddit drama disproves Uighur genocide. We’re being super serious here.

        Also notably, it’s the WUC (a far right org that again your reporter cited) that supports Israel.

        “My reporter” makes it sound like some journalist. We are talking about the UN Special Rapporteur of the UN HRC. What the WUC is is besides the point. It might be Elon Musk’s cat for all I care. What they say is what is important. And I am willing to assume that the UN Special Rapporteur did his fucking job and did more than just say “hey some randos are saying XYZ”. Same level of trust as I accord to Francesca Albanese.

        Some links removed because the instance wouldn’t let me post them. Must be a CIA plot or some shit.

        • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 hour ago

          Also kind of boggling that you’re calling mintpressnews and other anti-imperialist sources, as breitbart. Do you skip the parts about Zenz, the source of these claims, being a far-right evangelical anti-semite?

        • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          1 hour ago

          Okay, good job ignoring all those while not engaging with any of the arguments. I’ll try pictures, since that might be at your level.

          Why do all the Muslim countries support China’s Xinjiang policy, and don’t believe there’s a genocide going on, while only the imperialist euro-american countries think there is:

          • acargitz@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            47 minutes ago

            There is nothing to engage with. You presented NOTHING at the level of credibility as a UN report. Just opinion pieces, youtube videos, and random noise. Enjoy your day.