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    If genotype and hormone testing aren’t mandatory then it’s gender segregregated. Sex isn’t a property one can assume from outward appearances.

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      Of course it is. You can instantly tell the sex of 99% of people from a single glance. And it’s pretty simple to clear up that last 1% with a single brief exchange.

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          Admitting that you can only get 99% accuracy is an admission that sex isn’t what you’re seeing

          This is not the dumbest statement I’ve heard today, but that’s only because I unfortunately saw a few clips of Trump trying to string a coherent thought together earlier.

          I said it’s about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports. It is ABSOLUTELY something that can and should be ignored. No one (except bigots obviously) is attempting to guess anyone’s gender in sports. Sports does not segregate anyone by gender. Or race, or sexuality, or religion…it’s all immaterial.

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            I said it’s about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports.

            If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men, causing exactly the same problems as you hope to ignore by insisting that sports are segregated by sex rather than gender.

            If you actually believe what you say you do, then you think these guys should be on women’s teams:

            Personally, I think you’re pretty weird for demanding that certain kinds of men should be forced into women’s sports just because of their sex.

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              If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men

              That’s only not happening because trans men are physically unable to compete with cis men (on average). If there were a sport where cis women had a physical advantage over cis men, and trans men tried to join the cis men league, we’d be having the same discussion.

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                Wow, I didn’t expect you to make this so easy for me.

                To prove your argument, name one example of a trans man who was required to participate in women’s sports without controversy.

                As counter-argument, here’s a trans man that was forced to compete in women’s wrestling and won two state championships because he wasn’t allowed to compete with men: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/06/01/trans-wrestling-mack-beggs-texas-sport-changing-the-game-hulu/

                And here’s another article focusing on trans men competing against cis men in sports:

                https://www.insidehook.com/sports/trans-athletes-win-boys-sports

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                  Everything you just confidently said is completely irrelevant.

                  Let’s start with the beginning of my argument above. Can you name a sport where cis women have a physical advantage over cis men?

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                    Again, if your argument is about competetive fairness, then we don’t need gender segregation to make sure everyone gets a chance to compete fairly. Ranking on some objective measure of performance can ensure that nobody is out of their league at sports.

                    If the point of segregating by gender in sports is to make space for women in sports, then we could just do that. No point in discriminating about it since trans folks are rare anyway.

                    Since the actual point of women’s sports is to protect fragile male egos from getting beaten by girls, forcing trans women into men’s leagues doesn’t solve the problem either.

                    And to answer your question, extreme long distance running. Here’s an article about it: https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a44172975/are-women-better-endurance-runners/